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Agreed. But my woods guns don't get much collected reports against my locals ( mtn lion, black bear brown bear, grizzly, wolves & moose)

Rugers are in my wheel house. Affordable & built tough. Now if only they would come out with a 10mm 2011 shorter than 4.25" ...

So you don't believe the ballistic test except when the favor your opinion. That's cool.

I love the UNDERWOOD stuff! Everytime I check lately, they are out. Here a vid of me shooting some 10mm 140 grn EXTREME PENETRATOR through my VBOB.

Thanks all for your input. I'm always willing to re-examine all my decisions. Checking it out now.

Maaybe I misunderstood the tes, but it seems to indicate a S&WM&Pc with a 3.5" barrel as 1 of the test guns. Thats close enough to the HELLCAT for me. I appreciate the heads up and look forward to any different info that you may have.

Many Thanks all for the warm welcome! Currently, the 357 is a GP100 for the woman and a GP100 Match Champion for me. A couple of years ago I played with a Coonan. I love 1911's and felt it callin to me. Kept her in 357 mag for a while, then moved on.

Apparently it doesn't matter WHO is POTUS, since we lost bump stocks and now this with trump in office.

Been lurkin and doin some posting for a few weeks. I like how friendly this site is. Think that I'll stick around for awhile so thought that I should introduce myself. My name is Terry. I'm 62 and moved to Northern Idaho ( Coeur d'Alene) 1 yr ago from Carson City (Gardnerville) NV. I love it...

I keep 3 ways to make a fire. Matches/lighters, flint and road flares. Actually had an "event" this summer while the wife and I were riding dirt bikes. We had to abandon the bikes and hike out. Got to a spot with cell and had help comin. But it was raining the whole time and we needed a fire...

It was refreshing to see the number of people who stood up and commented on the "brace issue". Perhaps WE have turned a corner and have seen the value of getting involved.

Maybe Ruger needs to make ammo too...

For awhile I enjoyed and owned a PARA WARTHOG. It was a safe queen when I got it. NEVER HAD A SINGLE ISSUE. My current carry is a HELLCAT ; before that a KIMBER MICRO9 LG. With either of those I never felt at a disadvantage until I was outside 25 yrds.

At 1st glance it did look like the homeowner opened fire 1st, but a 2nd look revealed the gun flash and the corner hit came from the 2nd assailant. But still... opening the door was foolish givin the camera and not knowing the guy on the porch.

Depends on the gun and what its defending me from. My woods carry is different than my EDC. My HELLCAT & MICRO9 get the same Hornady that the FBI choose. They have testing resources that I don't. How will you judge what you like when you test?

WTF are YOU talking about? Apparently you have an inability to discuss more than 1 subject at a time. That quote was in fact in this thread.

The Judge offered a new genre that spawned not only a competitor, but a revolution in the ammunition industry. I would squeeze the COONAN in there too.

I'm thinking that you should look in the mirror. Like anything else, there are good and bad. I've been in a couple of unions and they were great. Not antagonistic. Labor & management worked together to create superior products in a timely & profitable manner.

👍 Seems to me that the bigger hands prefer the HELLCAT and vice versa. The fact that both options are available shows how lucky we are.

I feel that your wear is abnormal. I expect SA to make good on it, but you may be without for a few weeks.