Thanks - yes, I read about those as well. The Shadow 2 compact is 7.5 (L) x 1.3 (W) x 5.4 (H) at 30 oz., similar to the 2nd gun listed, 1911 RONIN® EMP® 4" HANDGUN 9MM. The ultimate goal is for this to become a gun I would be comfortable with carrying if I want to. Now, I am probably quite a bit...