This Is An Extremely Long Post.
This is a video by Tom Givens discussing the cultural attitudes of this subculture.
William Aprill also talks about it
I'm not going to get into details but I lived right on the edge of that world for about 10 years. Some of my ex-extended family, most of whom are either dead or spending the rest of their life in prison lived in that world.
It's a matter of record that my ex son-in-law who is going to be spending the rest of his life in prison in Texas was arrested for the largest methamphetamine bust (At that time) in El Paso County history.
His whole side of the family was and those who are still alive probably still are career criminals. It's what they did for a living.
I'm not a psychologist I can't get into the whole thing I don't understand that mindset but they didn't even look at you as prey. They looked at people outside the family as a grocery store.
You don't have any moral debate in your mind about going to the grocery store and buying a loaf of bread. It's there, you need it, you want it, you go get it and you don't think twice about it. It doesn't bother your conscience at all. That's the way these people see you.
I don't have any direct first-hand knowledge of what I'm about to say except for some of it's a matter of public record.
When my ex-SIL was arrested he was told to keep his mouth shut take the plea bargain and go to prison. In return his wife and kids would be taken care of while he was incarcerated.
I know he took a plea deal and was sentenced to 7-11 years in a federal penitentiary. He did 8 and went back layer after
multiple parole violations
I know that 6 months after he went to jail our daughter and her children except for her oldest vanished from the face of the Earth.
The
rumor that we heard later was that the family suspected that the daughter was going to turn State's Evidence on all of them.( if you need clarification, supposedly they intended to kill her to keep her mouth shut) She took the kids and vanished into Mexico for 8 years. I know for a fact that when she finally turned back up none of her children could speak English and she speaks Spanish well enough that her first
real job was as in Spanish/English interpreter.
Anyway.
When she took off she left her oldest son with us. I don't know the whole story but the part of it that I understand was that he wanted to remain in his father's life and he was going to do whatever it took to do that. So she left him with the only people that she could trust to look after him and keep him in contact with his father... My wife and I.
So all of that was the lead up to in order to keep him in contact with his father I had to take him to the prison a couple of times a month to see Dad and around dad's family once or twice a year for family events.
We were not part of the family (thank God) so family business wasn't discussed in front of us but we would go over there and sit there at the barbecue and they would talk about how Tito(made up name) just took a plea deal and he's going to be in prison for 9 years. And they said it the way that we would say "There was a Slowdown at the plant last week and Bob got laid off". It wasn't a big deal. It wasn't a family tragedy. It was just a normal part of life that happened.
Going to prison was not a deterrent to these people any more than getting a speeding ticket is really a deterrent to most of us. It was just a part of their life.
I mean there's more that I could say but what I'm really trying to get at is the mindset that they displayed. Like I said jail was no big deal
everybody went to jail. When we took the grandson over there we were the odd people because we
hadn't been to jail.
And since we weren't family we were also part of the victim selection pool. Nothing really big but they tried to rip us off a couple of times.
I worked for a carpet cleaning company and I showed up at one of their houses once just by coincidence and he tried to con me into cleaning the whole house and paying me for two rooms.
It was minor but it was proof that I wasn't one of them. I was another loaf of bread in the grocery store.
While dad was in prison his son who lived with us had to go to therapy. His therapist laid out certain parameters that had to be abided by and he was actually starting to show Improvement.
When Dad got out of prison he absolutely refused to continue therapy or abide by the therapist's recommendations or do anything in the visitation protocols.
We ended up suing for custody. I have no direct knowledge that my son-in-law ever actually murdered anybody but he was suspected of murdering at least three people while incarcerated.
After we served him the papers I never left my house unarmed. The whole thing ended up with the State awarding custody without any investigation to the father.
The grandson moved in with him and we haven't seen him in pretty close to 15 years. The last we heard dad is doing life in Texas and the Son is either in jail on parole or has a warrant out for his arrest and wants
nothing to do with us.
So I said all that to say this again you are not a human being with human rights to these people. You are a walking supply dump.
The best way that I can say it is something that Kathy Jackson(Cornered Cat) said.
You are like yge candy wrapper on a candy bar to these people. They want the candy bar and they will rip the wrapper off and throw it away to get to it and they'll never give that wrapper another thought.
They can be completely aware that you're not happy being robbed, they can be completely aware that you're not happy being beat up or raped or burglarized. They can completely understand that and not give a damn.
Some of you that are police officers know
exactly what I'm talking about period some of you have been victims of violent crime no
exactly what I'm talking about.
Those of you who haven't, take our word for it because it's real.
society for the worse.
