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Oaktree45

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My favorite pistol to shoot is my SA 9mm XDM Elite w/4.5 inch barrel. However, my supply of 9mm is getting low so I decided to put a few rounds through my Performance Center Smith & Wesson M&P40 Pro Series w/5inch barrel. I love the fiber optic sights on this pistol and it has a sweet trigger press. I’m getting pretty darn old so what I don’t like on this pistol is the sandpaper texture of the grip. On the plus side, it does exfoliate the dry skin on the palm of my hand and fingers. :LOL:

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The local range usually has two CCW classes per week, Wednesday and Saturday. Today's class was larger than usual so a number of the shooting lanes were already in use. I'm always amazed as to how many take the CCW class because here in MO anyone who can legally own a firearm can carry concealed without a permit.
 
Oaktree45 said:
I'm always amazed as to how many take the CCW class because here in MO anyone who can legally own a firearm can carry concealed without a permit.
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In my state, which is about to go full permitless concealed carry, by having a permit you don't have to go through the NICS when purchasing, and you'll need a permit for out-of-state reciprocity.

My .02
 
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Talyn said:
In my state, which is about to go full permitless concealed carry, by having a permit you don;t have to go through the NICS when purchasing, and you need a permit for out-of-state reciprocity.

My .02
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The same is true here. I am also in Missouri. There are also a few other advantages. You cannot be charged if you have a permit and are caught in certain areas where carry is not allowed. As of yet I know of no cases where anyone has been charged. To me that advantages are not worth the money and trouble.
 
Oaktree45 said:
My favorite pistol to shoot is my SA 9mm XDM Elite w/4.5 inch barrel. However, my supply of 9mm is getting low so I decided to put a few rounds through my Performance Center Smith & Wesson M&P40 Pro Series w/5inch barrel. I love the fiber optic sights on this pistol and it has a sweet trigger press. I’m getting pretty darn old so what I don’t like on this pistol is the sandpaper texture of the grip. On the plus side, it does exfoliate the dry skin on the palm of my hand and fingers. :LOL:

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The local range usually has two CCW classes per week, Wednesday and Saturday. Today's class was larger than usual so a number of the shooting lanes were already in use. I'm always amazed as to how many take the CCW class because here in MO anyone who can legally own a firearm can carry concealed without a permit.
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Ah. It's an M 2.0 . I have the .45 version. I took some 800 grit sandpaper and lightly knocked down the high spots on the grip texture. You can't tell looking at it and it is much more comfortable against the body. I also always wear a t-shirt tucked in under my shirt so when I carry IWB the grip is not rubbing my side raw.
 
Bassbob said:
The same is true here. There are also a few other advantages. You cannot be charged if you have a permit and are caught in certain areas where carry is not allowed. As of yet I know of no cases where anyone has been charged. To me that advantages are not worth the money and trouble.
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That's OK if you want to go through the NICS everytime you want to make a purchase, and take the risk that the system will always be up. And if you never plan on wanting to travel out of state and carry.

And reciprocity is essential for me for the states that I regularly travel through/to.

Plus, if I make a private purchase I show the seller I've gone through the permit process with background check. And I ask the same in return.

To me the minor extra $$ cost for renewals is worth it.

My .02
 
Talyn said:
In my state, which is about to go full permitless concealed carry, by having a permit you don;t have to go through the NICS when purchasing, and you need a permit for out-of-state reciprocity.

My .02
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On that note, there was a news item not too long ago about someone from a state with permitless carry that ran afoul of that here in MN; they tried to claim that MN had reciprocity with their state, which is true...but they have to have a state issued permit to be recognized.
 
HansGruber said:
On that note, there was a news item not too long ago about someone from a state with permitless carry that ran afoul of that here in MN; they tried to claim that MN had reciprocity with their state, which is true...but they have to have a state issued permit to be recognized.
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Yep. Anyone thinking that permitless carry in their state gives them reciprocity in others is very mistaken.

For those states going permitless w/o offering a user to get a permit risk losing reciprocity in states that currently recognize but require a permit. Those states that do away with a pernit risks reciprocity changes.

I brought that up with our legislature this session when the permitless carry bill came up (eventhough we were basically 90% permitless already) so they'll retaining the ability for those that want a permit for the obvious reasons.
 
Talyn said:
That's OK if you want to go through the NICS everytime you want to make a purchase, and take the risk that the system will always be up. And if you never plan on wanting to travel out of state and carry.

And reciprocity is essential for me for the states that I regularly travel through/to.

Plus, if I make a private purchase I show the seller I've gone through the permit process with background check. And I ask the same in return.

To me the minor extra $$ cost for renewals is worth it.

My .02
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In Missouri you are going through the NICS whether you have a permit or not. And I wouldn't sell guns to anyone I don't know or anyone I feel the need to subject to a NICS check. Something about paying, regardless of how much, to exercise my natural rights irks me. Think about what the word " Permit" means.
 
Talyn said:
Yep. Anyone thinking that permitless carry in their state gives them reciprocity in others is very mistaken.

For those states going permitless w/o offering a user to get a permit risk losing reciprocity in states that currently recognize but require a permit. Those states that do away with a pernit risks reciprocity changes.

I brought that up with our legislature this session when the permitless carry bill came up (eventhough we were basically 90% permitless already) so they'll retaining the ability for those that want a permit for the obvious reasons.
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Are there any states that went constitutional carry that actually eliminated their permit system?

For sure it is your responsibility to know the law for any state you plan to travel through. If you do a lot of traveling through states with reciprocity with your own state I suppose it might be worth it to you.
 
Bassbob said:
Are there any states that went constitutional carry that actually eliminated their permit system?

For sure it is your responsibility to know the law for any state you plan to travel through. If you do a lot of traveling through states with reciprocity with your own state I suppose it might be worth it to you.
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I think Alaska did, but then began to issue permits for people going out state.
 
Most states with constitutional carry make no provisions that exclude residents of other states from carrying. None of them that I know of. And some states ( Montana I believe for example) only require permits to conceal and carry and make no provisions excluding out of state citizens from doing so. Other than in certain cities and for some reason "Logging camps".

And yes I have and will plan my routes to exclude states unfriendly to gun rights and include gun friendly states. I live a half hour from Illinois and a couple hours from Iowa and I wouldn't go to either state unless I was being forced to.
 
Bassbob said:
Most states with constitutional carry make no provisions that exclude residents of other states from carrying. None of them that I know of. And some states ( Montana I believe for example) only require permits to conceal and carry and make no provisions excluding out of state citizens from doing so. Other than in certain cities and for some reason "Logging camps".
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Never said they didn't, including my state.
 
Bassbob said:
Are there any states that went constitutional carry that actually eliminated their permit system?

For sure it is your responsibility to know the law for any state you plan to travel through. If you do a lot of traveling through states with reciprocity with your own state I suppose it might be worth it to you.
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We have constitutional carry in NH but you have the option to get a permit for reciprocity reasons with other states.
 
Oaktree45 said:
My favorite pistol to shoot is my SA 9mm XDM Elite w/4.5 inch barrel. However, my supply of 9mm is getting low so I decided to put a few rounds through my Performance Center Smith & Wesson M&P40 Pro Series w/5inch barrel.
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I feel your pain. My favorite pistols are also 9mm, but the thought of $35 a box ammo has kept me from taking my XDM-Elite, or any of my other 9's, to the range for some time. I'm taking my 40's on my next trip, but I'm even getting a little nervous about that now that brass-cased .40 S&W is selling for $40 per box. 45 ACP is even worse, so my 45's will definitely be left in the safe.

I'm getting tired of range trips that consist of 50 centerfire rounds or less. I always bring a .22 LR pistol to make the trip worthwhile. I learned my lesson in 2012 and was lucky enough to have a decent amount of rimfire ammo saved-up before the world went crazy this time.
 
I used to frequent an indoor range regularly however during the pandemic when they were forced to limit shooters they required you to sign up and pay for a membership to shoot which is just making money during a bad situation. Going forward I’ll stick to an outdoor range which is just to cold to shoot at right now.
 
Talyn said:
Never said they didn't, including my state.
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I wasn't implying you did brother, just posting the information. Since we were talking about reciprocity with regards to permits I figured I would point out that if all states were constitutional carry reciprocity would be a moot point. And currently there are 12 states with constitutional carry and 3 with permitless carry for their state residents only.

I totally understand why people would choose to keep their permits valid after their state went constitutional carry. As I said, particularly people that regularly travel through states with reciprocity. For me it isn't the money. $100 every 5 years is nothing. It's the point. And frankly I can get anywhere I need or want to go without breaking any laws. If I am going out of state it is a planned event. A vacation. And I will definitely research my route. I made it from St. Louis to Henry's Fork Idaho without breaking any laws. Of course all but one ( 2 if you count freakin' Iowa) of those states are very gun friendly. Colorado can kiss my a$$. I'll drive pretty far out of my way to avoid Colorado. Nebraska kinda sucks, but then Nebraska mostly sucks regardless of their gun laws ( which aren't necessarily unfriendly to guns, but they aren't particularly friendly either. Like Iowa). There are a few Lakota sites in the northern part of the state that are worthy, but frankly other than that none of us could wait to get out of Nebraska. That had to be one of the longest non-stop drives of the trip. Traveling across Nebraska from east to west or west to east is ridiculous and boring. On the way up we skirted along the western edge of Iowa for a bit and it's hard to explain the feeling I got when we crossed over into South Dakota. South Dakota feels like home to me. I love everything about that state. Especially The Black Hills. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, all are fantastic places to be.


Eh, sorry to veer off topic.
 
Talyn said:
In my state, which is about to go full permitless concealed carry, by having a permit you don't have to go through the NICS when purchasing, and you'll need a permit for out-of-state reciprocity.

My .02
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Kentucky is Constitutional Carry, but I went ahead got my CCDW permit in order to carry out of state when I visit relatives in Florida or Indiana. Having the permit does preclude going through the NICS check, unless one shops at the local Rural King. Their home office is in Illinois, so they don't honor Ky permits, even though their store is in Ky. Also have to do the background check at the nearby military base, but I do save some $$ there due to not paying tax.
 
I have a Texas LTC (license to carry). I do like the fact that I now don't need to wait on NICS checks when I purchase a new firearm. Before I had my LTC, about half the time I went through NICS checks, there were problems and delays, and I would have to wait so many business days before I could take possession of whatever firearm I had purchased. I'm guessing that just because my name is so common, it brought up a lot of red flags. Now I can bypass all that. And as far as reciprocity goes, if a state doesn't recognize my Texas LTC, then I don't go there, period. I have a lot of family and friends in MN, and I'll never step foot in that state again, since they don't have reciprocity with TX. Now sometimes I don't always have a choice in the matter. A few years ago I had to make a couple of work/training trips to CA. That's another state that doesn't recognize a Texas LTC. In situations like that, I just have to grin and bear it. But if the trip is for personal reasons, I don't go where I'm not wanted.
 
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