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For some more perspective (from the Johns Hopkins tracker website, 4/29/20, 13:03 Eastern Time):

219,611 global COVID deaths to date.
957,094 RECOVERED cases, to date.

That is approximately 5:1 recovery rate...and that's just the cases that are "confirmed". Nobody counts (or knows) the true number of cases, due to the number of asymptomatic people who simply...beat it.

But, you won't hear anyone at all talk about "survival rates", because it blows the narrative.

The JHU site is a very good one, if you are inclined to track this thing:

coronavirus.jhu.edu

COVID-19 Map - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)
coronavirus.jhu.edu coronavirus.jhu.edu
 
And forgive me...but please, drop the Vietnam War reference.

I come from a military family (USN) and have huge respect for our heroes, but...just about any given flu season kills as many Americans as the Vietnam War did.

Do some research.

Where's the outrage about flu? Why don't we shut down our society and give up our rights and s#itcan our economy every year, for the flu?
 
Peglegjoe said:
And forgive me...but please, drop the Vietnam War reference.

I come from a military family (USN) and have huge respect for our heroes, but...just about any given flu season kills as many Americans as the Vietnam War did.

Do some research.

Where's the outrage about flu? Why don't we shut down our society and give up our rights and s#itcan our economy every year, for the flu?
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I come from a military family, too. Dad was airborne in Vietnam, one grandpa in the Pacific in WW2, the other was army Intel and CIA from Korea until the Shah fell in Iran. Great grandpa was shot and gassed in WW1. Several dead in the Civil War. Our family bible has a rich history. I enlisted in the USMC infantry at 19.
 
Peglegjoe said:
And forgive me...but please, drop the Vietnam War reference.

I come from a military family (USN) and have huge respect for our heroes, but...just about any given flu season kills as many Americans as the Vietnam War did.

Do some research.

Where's the outrage about flu? Why don't we shut down our society and give up our rights and s#itcan our economy every year, for the flu?
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I get the frustration, though. We were discussing comparisons.
 
But according to the CDC, we are not SUPPOSED to test all deaths that could be it.

Simply attribute it to COVID.

That's their directive. No testing or verification required.

The CDC guidelines for reporting COVID-19 deaths states:

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.”
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Which will cause a twofold skew in the numbers. 1) COVID deaths will be artificially increased, and 2) flu, emphysema, and other deaths will be artificially decreased.

And while I understand the comparison to Vietnam...it is a meaningless one, because we lose that many Americans every single year, to flu. Comparisons like that using COVID, only serve to heighten the terror and the sensationalist BS surrounding this whole thing.

If you're outraged this year because of COVID deaths...where's your outrage every year, for the same number of flu deaths? And...we HAVE medicine for flu. We HAVE treatments. But we STILL lose that many Americans. So...where's THAT outrage?? Why don't we shut everything down, force people to stay home, go on unemployment, spend trillions of dollars in "stimulus" checks, and shutter their businesses...for the same number of flu deaths every year?

Is it serious? I agree, it is a serious virus.

Is shutting down Western Civilization justified for it? Trashing our economy?

I think the "cure" is worse than the virus, here...
 
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Peglegjoe said:
But according to the CDC, we are not SUPPOSED to test all deaths that could be it.

Simply attribute it to COVID.

That's their directive. No testing or verification required.

The CDC guidelines for reporting COVID-19 deaths states:


Which will cause a twofold skew in the numbers. 1) COVID deaths will be artificially increased, and 2) flu, emphysema, and other deaths will be artificially decreased.

And while I understand the comparison to Vietnam...it is a meaningless one, because we lose that many Americans every single year, to flu. Comparisons like that using COVID, only serve to heighten the terror and the sensationalist BS surrounding this whole thing.

If you're outraged this year because of COVID deaths...where's your outrage every year, for the same number of flu deaths? And...we HAVE medicine for flu. We HAVE treatments. But we STILL lose that many Americans. So...where's THAT outrage?? Why don't we shut everything down, force people to stay home, go on unemployment, spend trillions of dollars in "stimulus" checks, and shutter their businesses...for the same number of flu deaths every year?

Is it serious? I agree, it is a serious virus.

Is shutting down Western Civilization justified for it? Trashing our economy?

I think the "cure" is worse than the virus, here...
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The rich will come out on top of this afterwards for sure and the middle class will pay!
 
I share Pegleg's frustration with this. We are inflating the numbers on COVID deaths. Flu deaths pretty much bottomed out last month, trying to find the numbers.

The "cure" is going to be way worse than the actual problem.
 
benstt said:
It's risen to almost 220k since March 30. And it's killed more Americans in six weeks than died in the entire Vietnam War. Almost all of us will be fine but this thing is no joke.
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Thank you Benstt, I agree completely.
On another Thread I posted a YouTube video that showed a chart in motion, tracking endemics deaths since the year 2000 for 100 days after the 1st reported death. Covid-19 easily surpassed them all with over 88,000+ worldwide deaths. The only pandemic that killed more in the 1st 100 days was the 1918 Spanish Flu that totaled over 4 million worldwide deaths in this same 100 day period.
This virus spreads fast and is deadly. Lets hope they come up with a vaccine sooner than later.
 
Peglegjoe said:
But according to the CDC, we are not SUPPOSED to test all deaths that could be it.

Simply attribute it to COVID.

That's their directive. No testing or verification required.

The CDC guidelines for reporting COVID-19 deaths states:


Which will cause a twofold skew in the numbers. 1) COVID deaths will be artificially increased, and 2) flu, emphysema, and other deaths will be artificially decreased.

And while I understand the comparison to Vietnam...it is a meaningless one, because we lose that many Americans every single year, to flu. Comparisons like that using COVID, only serve to heighten the terror and the sensationalist BS surrounding this whole thing.

If you're outraged this year because of COVID deaths...where's your outrage every year, for the same number of flu deaths? And...we HAVE medicine for flu. We HAVE treatments. But we STILL lose that many Americans. So...where's THAT outrage?? Why don't we shut everything down, force people to stay home, go on unemployment, spend trillions of dollars in "stimulus" checks, and shutter their businesses...for the same number of flu deaths every year?

Is it serious? I agree, it is a serious virus.

Is shutting down Western Civilization justified for it? Trashing our economy?

I think the "cure" is worse than the virus, here...
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I can't respond to the CDC guidance with first-hand knowledge, only hearsay. My ex, before she ended our relationship because being an internist at a local level 1 hospital and dealing with the constant influx of COVID patients was consuming and crushing her, told me several times they did not list all the COVID-suspected deaths as COVID deaths and they had way more admitted COVID patients than the numbers showed becuase they couldn't test to confirm. The number will be off all over the place before this is done. Again, it's hearsay and also a small sample size but it does throw off the numbers.

I'm conflicted regarding our measures to deal with the disease. Per Johns Hopkins Medicine, the high end of flu deaths in the U.S. is around 61,000 per year. (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu). We have that in six weeks with this new chinese virus. That makes me think extra caution is warranted. I'm also cognizant of the fact that if the measures we have taken are working then we don't really know how bad it would get if we did nothing. On the other side, crippling poverty is a huge public health danger, too, and our response is pushing a lot of people that way. I'd love to have the expertise to come to an educated conclusion on it but I don't. You might very well be right about the "cure". I simply can't argue the point either way. As Michael Osterholm put it, we're going to have to thread a rope though the eye of a needle to deal with this thing.
 
Peglegjoe said:
But according to the CDC, we are not SUPPOSED to test all deaths that could be it.

Simply attribute it to COVID.

That's their directive. No testing or verification required.

The CDC guidelines for reporting COVID-19 deaths states:


Which will cause a twofold skew in the numbers. 1) COVID deaths will be artificially increased, and 2) flu, emphysema, and other deaths will be artificially decreased.

And while I understand the comparison to Vietnam...it is a meaningless one, because we lose that many Americans every single year, to flu. Comparisons like that using COVID, only serve to heighten the terror and the sensationalist BS surrounding this whole thing.

If you're outraged this year because of COVID deaths...where's your outrage every year, for the same number of flu deaths? And...we HAVE medicine for flu. We HAVE treatments. But we STILL lose that many Americans. So...where's THAT outrage?? Why don't we shut everything down, force people to stay home, go on unemployment, spend trillions of dollars in "stimulus" checks, and shutter their businesses...for the same number of flu deaths every year?

Is it serious? I agree, it is a serious virus.

Is shutting down Western Civilization justified for it? Trashing our economy?

I think the "cure" is worse than the virus, here...
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That's it exactly..... we can't keep the scare going unless we have scary numbers....... yeah,
the car rolled over him but the accident was most likely caused by the Wuhan Chinese Virus.
Better chalk it up to that COVID 19...…. then we can get on to destroying the economy.
We passed China's test with flying colors. Do this for a couple more years and the USA
will no longer be an issue for China
 
benstt said:
I can't respond to the CDC guidance with first-hand knowledge, only hearsay. My ex, before she ended our relationship because being an internist at a local level 1 hospital and dealing with the constant influx of COVID patients was consuming and crushing her, told me several times they did not list all the COVID-suspected deaths as COVID deaths and they had way more admitted COVID patients than the numbers showed becuase they couldn't test to confirm. The number will be off all over the place before this is done. Again, it's hearsay and also a small sample size but it does throw off the numbers.

I'm conflicted regarding our measures to deal with the disease. Per Johns Hopkins Medicine, the high end of flu deaths in the U.S. is around 61,000 per year. (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu). We have that in six weeks with this new chinese virus. That makes me think extra caution is warranted. I'm also cognizant of the fact that if the measures we have taken are working then we don't really know how bad it would get if we did nothing. On the other side, crippling poverty is a huge public health danger, too, and our response is pushing a lot of people that way. I'd love to have the expertise to come to an educated conclusion on it but I don't. You might very well be right about the "cure". I simply can't argue the point either way. As Michael Osterholm put it, we're going to have to thread a rope though the eye of a needle to deal with this thing.
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I think a better cure for this would have been secure the borders, mask everyone up and maintain a social distance.
Take extra precautions with the elderly, as we should always be doing, and keep the economy chugging away. IMHO
 
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