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AAR: Husband, wife charged with felony assault after gun is pulled on mom and daughter

xdman

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Let's look at this as an After Action Review, what could have been done differently? It is important to look at these real life situations and try to think of how your would act, and what would be the repercussions to actions.



ORION TOWNSHIP, Mich. (FOX 2) - A fiery exchange between an armed woman and a mother and daughter at an Orion Twp. restaurant parking lot ended with a gun being pulled out and pointed.

In videos posted to Twitter and YouTube, the armed woman is pointing a pistol at the mom and yelling "back the f**k up!" The mom holding the camera can be heard saying to "get the license plate" and asking for the cops to be called.

The heated exchange appears to stem from when the woman bumped into the mom's daughter as they were entering the restaurant. After the mom asked the woman to apologize, the disagreement brewed into a shouting match before a firearm was drawn.

During a press conference Thursday afternoon, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard announced the woman and the man driving the vehicle are both being charged with felonious assault, a 4-year felony.


Shortly after Bouchard finished his press conference, Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper announce Jillian Wuestenberg, 32, and Eric Wuestenberg, 42, were charged with the felonies. Both are expected to be arraigned in Rochester on Thursday.

Two different videos were found online, however, the first video has been removed from public view.

In a separate longer video first shared by the Detroit News before getting uploaded to YouTube, it shows the original disagreement that started at the entrance to the restaurant.


According to Bouchard, the argument is believed to have started after two people bumped into each other while one was walking out of a Chipotle.

"Apparently, what had happened - (there) was one common theme between both (stories) - the 3 headed inside Chipotle and one woman headed out with her food, there was a bump as they entered and exit," he said.

Bouchard said someone felt they needed an apology and "it escalated from there". He said it was unclear who the aggressors were.

The videos shows explicit language being shouted at both parties as the white woman shuffles to the side of her car before backing up behind it. As she's backing up, she tells the people "don't you f*cking jump behind my car." The woman holding the camera continues shouting at the person filming before getting back in the passenger seat of the car and leaves.

"This ignorant woman bumped into a 15-year-old and you're on camera and you're feeling threatened," said the person holding the second camera.

The woman responds "you're blocking me from getting into my car."

At this point, a man wearing a purple shirt who was sitting in the driver's seat of the car walks toward the scene, opens the passenger door and the woman gets in. After getting into her car, both parties continue to argue, with accusations of racism being verbalized.

"You're very racist and ignorant," shouts the person filming.

"This is not that type of world. White people aren't racist. No one's racist. I care about you, I care about you and I'm sorry if you had an incident that has made someone made you feel like that," said the woman from the car. "No one is racist."

A slight lull in the shouting commences as the car reverses. As one of the women walks behind the vehicle, it starts backing up, prompting her to shout "You going to f*ckning hit me?" and slaps the vehicle multiple times.

The vehicle stops and that's when the woman exits, seen readying her firearm.

"Get the f*ck away from me!" shouts the white woman as she exits the vehicle. At this point, the original video shared on Twitter starts.

The person who posted the original video said it was her nieces and her mom who were involved at the scene. She later commented saying the police had been called and arrested her, later taking away her gun.

Bouchard said both suspects were holding loaded guns and both had legal Concealed Pistol Licenses (CPLs).
 
If you take away the color and the guns it’s obvious you have two groups of people who just have nothing better to do then start trouble and no one wants to take the high road and apologize. From the video available and I’m sort of guessing you have the women in the black shirt picking up food and exiting the restaurant while two women are trying to enter the restaurant at the same time. Someone bumps into someone, this is like road rage without vehicles, who has the right of way? To me “my opinion”
The woman in black wanted to say something but let her pride get in the way, she should have just got into her car and (if) the police were called let them deal with the issue. One woman from the other group had no issue walking behind the car as it was backing up.
4 adults acting like children. Now two of those supposed adults are going jail.
TOTAL FUBAR.
 
Stupid people doing stupid things.

But, honestly...a quick “I’m sorry” at the beginning would have averted this whole mess.

I have been in a situation where, it was a 9.9 out of 10 where I almost shot someone in self defense. I kept quiet and let them yell, but they kept escalating the situation. When I Just said "Man I an idiot, sorry about that". The gang members were shocked and dumbfounded at my comment. It immediately deescalated the situation and they just said "yeah you are". They left and drove off never knowing that my pistol was pointed at them, my finger was mid pull praying that these guys don't make me do this.
 
If you take away the color and the guns it’s obvious you have two groups of people who just have nothing better to do then start trouble and no one wants to take the high road and apologize. From the video available and I’m sort of guessing you have the women in the black shirt picking up food and exiting the restaurant while two women are trying to enter the restaurant at the same time. Someone bumps into someone, this is like road rage without vehicles, who has the right of way? To me “my opinion”
The woman in black wanted to say something but let her pride get in the way, she should have just got into her car and (if) the police were called let them deal with the issue. One woman from the other group had no issue walking behind the car as it was backing up.
4 adults acting like children. Now two of those supposed adults are going jail.
TOTAL FUBAR.
Right and was the two walking in side by side giving the other room. And my thought is that the mother should be charged for harassment and walking behind a moving car there was no need for her to do that , she knew that they were leaving. If both are charged nobody get away with anything it take two.
 
I have been in a situation where, it was a 9.9 out of 10 where I almost shot someone in self defense. I kept quiet and let them yell, but they kept escalating the situation. When I Just said "Man I an idiot, sorry about that". The gang members were shocked and dumbfounded at my comment. It immediately deescalated the situation and they just said "yeah you are". They left and drove off never knowing that my pistol was pointed at them, my finger was mid pull praying that these guys don't make me do this.
Nice way to save a life. Just a few words that don't really mean anything. I have apologize for things that I shouldn't have just to keep from a fight starting or worse.
 
Nice way to save a life. Just a few words that don't really mean anything. I have apologize for things that I shouldn't have just to keep from a fight starting or worse.
I’d like to hear from the woman on the forum on what their take is and how they would have handled it. Being a guy whether I was exiting or entering the restaurant I would have stepped aside to let women pass by first, that’s how I was raised and how I raised my boys.
 
I’d like to hear from the woman on the forum on what their take is and how they would have handled it. Being a guy whether I was exiting or entering the restaurant I would have stepped aside to let women pass by first, that’s how I was raised and how I raised my boys.
Same here, little things mean a lot especially to older folks. I couldn't count how many time my son open a door for someone older and they said ( What a little gentleman you have. Well done. ) Made me feel really good and proud of my son.
 
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