Ammo for Hellcat
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Annihilator
Emissary
I don’t care much for steel cased ammo myself, but I don’t think it would hurt it, maybe one of the other members can answer your question better then me, congrats on getting your first gun, enjoy
Thank you.
HansGruber
Ronin
Right now, if it's all you can get, buy a box or two of steel and see if your gun likes it. It won’t damage your pistol, so that’s a non-issue...but be aware some ranges won’t allow steel cased ammunition.
HansGruber
Ronin
But as for a specific brand/weight/bullet style? What one person thinks is the best round ever in his Hellcat might be some else's worst round ever in theirs...so, you'll have to find out what yours prefers.
HansGruber
Ronin
Nah, it won’t hurt it...but some pistols don’t like it (can have feeding issues) so don't buy a caseload...
One big thing to avoid is letting dissimilar ammo sit in firearms long term. It can cause electrolysis, basically a chemical reaction between softer metals reacting to harder metals or vice versa. But, that can take months or years to happen. Other than that? Use what you have available while paying attention to results. Might steer clear on steel ammo for carry, but then again, why? Steel cased ammo's been used for years with few terrible results and not unlikely much different than any other ammo. It may cause more wear eventually? Unless specified not to by MFG, why not? What Han's said hold water in many places. Have fun practicing.
HansGruber
Ronin
Um.
If electrolysis an issue, I suspect that anyone who allowed brass cased ammo to sit in a steel magazine for a long period of time would have all kinds of problems...yet, this doesn’t occur.
And while I have seen verdigris on brass ammo, we’re talking decades old...
the obsrver
Master Class
I personally have never shot steel cased. I get that it wont hurt it, but it will cause it to wear faster. To me it is like, oil in a car, yeah you can use the cheaper stuff, but if it shortens the life of the car by 20,000 miles is it really worth it and are you saving any money? Difference is people get rid of cars before they conk out, but tend to keep guns for a lifetime.
"One big thing to avoid is letting dissimilar ammo sit in firearms long term. It can cause electrolysis, basically a chemical reaction between softer metals reacting to harder metals or vice versa. But, that can take months or years to happen."
Long term is a key, so is moisture. Putting uncleaned firearms away when damp or wet from rainy damp weather or stored in damp moist areas like basements, porches, garages w/o desiccant or moisture absorbing agents like kitty litter and lubing for long term storage can lead to issues like electrolysis and galvanic corrosion. Most metals are electrical conductors and so is H2O. Dissimilar metals like softer ones, aluminum, brass and copper especially combined with common, carbon, ect. or stainless steel are more vulnerable to electrolysis. If putting away firearms after properly cleaning and storing, there's little to no issues if used and stored properly. If you haven't seen any corrosion apparently you're doing a good job of prepping for storage. Have seen effects of corrosion start in less than six months especially when electricity is nearby. ( Think batteries?) Some people beside you and me are brand new to this all. Many potential issues are non existent to almost non existent because hopefully many people take the right precautions so they rarely if ever see electrolysis or other corrosion when done properly. Make better sense now?
Here's an article that may explain some of it better?
Stainless Steel & Aluminum: Why You Shouldn't Use Them Together
Why Can’t You Use Stainless Steel and Aluminium Together? What is Galvanic Erosion, how it works and, how to stop it? Read More...
www.albanycountyfasteners.com
And another:
Factors that affect an electrolysis reaction - EasyChem Australia
Describe factors that affect an electrolysis reaction: effect of concentration, nature of electrolytes, nature of electrodes.
easychem.com.au
HansGruber
Ronin
I still think it's much ado about nothing."One big thing to avoid is letting dissimilar ammo sit in firearms long term. It can cause electrolysis, basically a chemical reaction between softer metals reacting to harder metals or vice versa. But, that can take months or years to happen."
Long term is a key, so is moisture. Putting uncleaned firearms away when damp or wet from rainy damp weather or stored in damp moist areas like basements, porches, garages w/o desiccant or moisture absorbing agents like kitty litter and lubing for long term storage can lead to issues like electrolysis and galvanic corrosion. Most metals are electrical conductors and so is H2O. Dissimilar metals like softer ones, aluminum, brass and copper especially combined with common, carbon, ect. or stainless steel are more vulnerable to electrolysis. If putting away firearms after properly cleaning and storing, there's little to no issues if used and stored properly. If you haven't seen any corrosion apparently you're doing a good job of prepping for storage. Have seen effects of corrosion start in less than six months especially when electricity is nearby. ( Think batteries?) Some people beside you and me are brand new to this all. Many potential issues are non existent to almost non existent because hopefully many people take the right precautions so they rarely if ever see electrolysis or other corrosion when done properly. Make better sense now?
Here's an article that may explain some of it better?
Stainless Steel & Aluminum: Why You Shouldn't Use Them Together
Why Can’t You Use Stainless Steel and Aluminium Together? What is Galvanic Erosion, how it works and, how to stop it? Read More...www.albanycountyfasteners.com
And another:
Factors that affect an electrolysis reaction - EasyChem Australia
Describe factors that affect an electrolysis reaction: effect of concentration, nature of electrolytes, nature of electrodes.
I personally pulled the magazine out of a 1911 that had sat loaded for 30 years—at the minimum—in a dresser drawer; brass ammo, blued steel mag...and while there was a little green freckling (verdigris) on the brass and on the copper jackets of the bullets...they weren't fused together, and shot just fine...seriously, if the electrolysis theory held any water, this would’ve been the prime candidate.
Federal HST 9mm of any type is probably your best bet for self defense rounds. It’s one of the best for short barrel 9mm’s and also one they produce a lot of. However, like said above, grab 2 boxes of whatever JHP (hollow point) you can find and then keep an eye out for what you want. You can use the Forum’s search feature to find lots of discussions on the best self defense ammo. Luckygunner Labs has a great info packed article on round testing that will give you all the info you need to find the right ammo (hint: HST
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Thank you for the good information. Much appreciated!Federal HST 9mm of any type is probably your best bet for self defense rounds. It’s one of the best for short barrel 9mm’s and also one they produce a lot of. However, like said above, grab 2 boxes of whatever JHP (hollow point) you can find and then keep an eye out for what you want. You can use the Forum’s search feature to find lots of discussions on the best self defense ammo. Luckygunner Labs has a great info packed article on round testing that will give you all the info you need to find the right ammo (hint: HST
Welcome to the group, we’re here to help!
Bassbob
Emissary
This. 124 Gr. HST.Federal HST 9mm of any type is probably your best bet for self defense rounds. It’s one of the best for short barrel 9mm’s and also one they produce a lot of. However, like said above, grab 2 boxes of whatever JHP (hollow point) you can find and then keep an eye out for what you want. You can use the Forum’s search feature to find lots of discussions on the best self defense ammo. Luckygunner Labs has a great info packed article on round testing that will give you all the info you need to find the right ammo (hint: HST
Welcome to the group, we’re here to help!
Trainkeptarolling
Alpha
124gr works great...I use the 147gr for EDC, and that runs great as well.Federal HST 9mm of any type is probably your best bet for self defense rounds. It’s one of the best for short barrel 9mm’s and also one they produce a lot of. However, like said above, grab 2 boxes of whatever JHP (hollow point) you can find and then keep an eye out for what you want. You can use the Forum’s search feature to find lots of discussions on the best self defense ammo. Luckygunner Labs has a great info packed article on round testing that will give you all the info you need to find the right ammo (hint: HST
Welcome to the group, we’re here to help!
Anybody notice that S&B is louder, flamier (new word alert), and tend to kick back more unburnt powder? Just an observation, they run fine. Or maybe it’s only in my head. Ya know, after all the chicken jokes around here scrambled my brain.
HansGruber
Ronin
S&B tends to run a little warmer than US commercial loads, definitely. This is fairly common for a lot of Euro produced ammo, though; the loads aren’t watered down (this is also why I prefer S&B or Italian produced Fiocchi in .25 and .32 for mouseguns—a lot of them need warmer ammo for reliable function).