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Another Sad Accidental Shooting

well as i read it, the dad did not have a ccw permit, so to have that legally owned gun, in the car, was an illegal act.

sad situation for sure, but how to proceed with it?

sure take the gun away from the dad, but does he get it back, or the keep it from him, since he "carried" it without that permit?

prevent the dad from buying another gun...legally..??

the utmost important thing to take care of, is the child, as he most likely does not know or understand, what he has done to his mother.

that kid is going to need counseling for a long, long time. and the problem here too is, "suppressive memory" for that kid right now, until he gets older, then it comes to rear it's ugly head.
 
“The shooting was the latest example of an all too familiar story in the United States: A child finds a gun and inadvertently fires it.

According to a leading gun control advocacy group,Everytown for Gun Safety, in 2020, unintentional shootings by children under 18 years old left 142 people dead and 242 wounded.”

This is sad, for sure. Not sure I believe the statistic quoted, though. They also neglected to mention that one of the primary reasons gun sales have been so high is that people no longer feel safe counting on the police to protect them.

A lot of the new gun owners desperately need education and training in gun safety.
 
Old_Me said:
well as i read it, the dad did not have a ccw permit, so to have that legally owned gun, in the car, was an illegal act.

sad situation for sure, but how to proceed with it?

sure take the gun away from the dad, but does he get it back, or the keep it from him, since he "carried" it without that permit?

prevent the dad from buying another gun...legally..??

the utmost important thing to take care of, is the child, as he most likely does not know or understand, what he has done to his mother.

that kid is going to need counseling for a long, long time. and the problem here too is, "suppressive memory" for that kid right now, until he gets older, then it comes to rear it's ugly head.
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Not all states require a CCW permit to carry a firearm in a vehicle. In Texas for example if you own the vehicle then it's legal as long as it's hidden from view.
 
Per the article "Collins said investigators have already determined that the father legally owned the weapon but did not have a concealed carry permit he would have needed to carry it in the vehicle."
 
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
 
jumpinjoe said:
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
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I agree with you
 
jumpinjoe said:
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
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I'm confused, where did it say it was a revolver. I carry my EDCs loaded and ready, just pull the trigger. I wouldn't ever have a loaded gun outside of my immediate control which would've prevented this but purely speaking of a 3 year olds ability to fire a weapon, I refer back to the first sentence...
 
jumpinjoe said:
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
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Hard to say Indeed!
 
As sad as it is. The Father has to live with his incompetence for the rest of his life. He has a long time to start taking some classes or read up on firearm safety! providing it isn't a conspiracy and it was the child that discharged the arm. How did the gun get in the child's hands in the first place?!?!? So wrong! So frickin stupid! There is no good outcome to this at all! Everyone suffers from it one way or another.
 
I read the story. Either the child wasn’t in his car seat or the gun was laying loaded in the seat next to him. There’s no other way it could have happened. Kids have very limited reach in child car seats.

Now, I’ve loaded more rounds in a mag than I thought I did. I’ve moved a loaded gun from one safe to another and forgotten to remove the loaded mag from it, I don’t store chambered guns. Only two people can access those safes. But I’ve never laid a loaded gun down unattended. Not ever. It’s clear when I set it down and walk away.

I’ve had this conversation with a CCW who suggested leaving a loaded gun in an unattended car was just fine, which, at the end of the day, is what this guy actually did. It’s been a topic of some debate. Probably has in here at some point. You’ll never catch me doing that.

Yeah, I’ve heard the excuse about bullet setback rechambering a previously chambered round. I’ve had my fair share. Doesn’t matter. I’m not risking prison for something someone else did with my loaded gun. I’m certainly not risking one of my kids finding it with a round in the chamber.
 
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Philmo11 said:
I read the story. Either the child wasn’t in his car seat or the gun was laying loaded in the seat next to him. There’s no other way it could have happened. Kids have very limited reach in child car seats.

Now, I’ve loaded more rounds in a mag than I thought I did. I’ve moved a loaded gun from one safe to another and forgotten to remove the loaded mag from it, I don’t store chambered guns. Only two people can access those safes. But I’ve never laid a loaded gun down unattended. Not ever. It’s clear when I set it down and walk away.

I’ve had this conversation with a CCW who suggested leaving a loaded gun in an unattended car was just fine, which, at the end of the day, is what this guy actually did. It’s been a topic of some debate. Probably has in here at some point. You’ll never catch me doing that.

Yeah, I’ve heard the excuse about bullet setback rechambering a previously chambered round. I’ve had my fair share. Doesn’t matter. I’m not risking prison for something someone else did with my loaded gun. I’m certainly not risking one of my kids finding it with a round in the chamber.
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Agreed. An unattended loaded firearm around children is a recipe for a fatal accident!
 
jumpinjoe said:
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
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That’s a very good point. I guess it depends on how well the investigation is done. Did they residue test the kid and the dad’s hands? Angle of fire, stippling, etc.
 
jumpinjoe said:
I honestly don't think I've ever known a 3 yr old that could pull the trigger on a revolver if it's not already cocked. Think about how small a 3 yr old hand is. He can't even reach from around the grip to the trigger and it's unlikely he could gain enough leverage to cock any substantial double action/single action. Is it possible, yes it's possible .... but I'm more inclined to think the fact is the adults in most of these cases are doing the shooting, some intentional, some maybe not, but then using the kids to avert any responsibility.

I already said it's possible .............. I just don't believe very many of them are probable. I know of far more adults who would blame a little kid in order to avert any responsibility from themselves than I know little 3 yr olds who can shoot..... either intentionally or accidentally.

I don't know, maybe just me !!!
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Face it, there are often far more details & information in these cases than ever reaches the general public. ( Case in point: Geo. Zimmerman/ Trayvon Martin ).
You have to be in the courtroom or involved in the LE investigation to find out The Truth. Or willing to sort through a lot of junk ( who’s got time??).

In smaller incidents, the excitement & interest is most often OBE by then.
 
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