Wannabewoodsman
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Warnings over growing 3D printed gun threat - BBC News
Police say they are seizing 3D printed weapons in greater numbers in the UK.
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Anyone 3d print weapons?
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KillerFord1977
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ATF waiting on the replies….
RickAnderson
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Note, plastic barrels, made from fused plastic string no less, what caliper and how many uses do you think you can get out of it, let alone accuracy.
It would be cheaper, easier and more reliable to put something together from your local hardware store from the plumbing section.
Yes, printing frame/receivers, to outfit with actual produced metal parts, now you have a controversy...
That was my argument about the "Ghost Gun" alarmism, it wasn't ever a problem until someone started coming up with Glock kits that were 5 times cheaper/easier/faster to finish than most 80% frame/receivers...... ....then it went from you can't even find a case of an 80% used in crime, to lots of reports of cops confiscating glock 80% kits like this from people who can't legally own a gun.... ...almost nothing about them being used in a crime other than someone breaking the law possessing a gun when they can't do so legally...
As I understand it, banning plans or instructions to print a frame/receiver is a first amendment issue, it was first thing the ATF punted on when they were ordered by Biden to ban Ghost Guns...
Metal 3d Printing? A metal 3d printer costs more than outfitting a full machine shop to make a firearm yourself from billets. And metal 3d printing is sintering particles together, it doesn't have the strength or characteristics for use as critical components on a firearm.
It would be cheaper, easier and more reliable to put something together from your local hardware store from the plumbing section.
Yes, printing frame/receivers, to outfit with actual produced metal parts, now you have a controversy...
That was my argument about the "Ghost Gun" alarmism, it wasn't ever a problem until someone started coming up with Glock kits that were 5 times cheaper/easier/faster to finish than most 80% frame/receivers...... ....then it went from you can't even find a case of an 80% used in crime, to lots of reports of cops confiscating glock 80% kits like this from people who can't legally own a gun.... ...almost nothing about them being used in a crime other than someone breaking the law possessing a gun when they can't do so legally...
As I understand it, banning plans or instructions to print a frame/receiver is a first amendment issue, it was first thing the ATF punted on when they were ordered by Biden to ban Ghost Guns...
Metal 3d Printing? A metal 3d printer costs more than outfitting a full machine shop to make a firearm yourself from billets. And metal 3d printing is sintering particles together, it doesn't have the strength or characteristics for use as critical components on a firearm.
RickAnderson
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Annihilator
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I don’t believe in the 3-D printing crap, if you want a gun, Go out and buy one like most do instead of being a problem, my thoughts
Wannabewoodsman
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What makes it a "problem"?
Annihilator
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The making of 3-D gun started all the crap about making your own personal guns, the 80% kits and such wouldn’t have gone as far as it is if nobody started making the 3-D guns, only reason people started making 3-D guns was hey, look what I can do, I can make guns……this started the problem in my opinion.
Wannabewoodsman
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We've been making guns in this country for centuries WITHOUT regulation. I'm working on a shotgun build from scratch as we speak. You ought to look into Philip Luty.
As far as your theory on firearms manufacturing and 3D printing guns, I disagree. I think it was only a matter of time before the left learned about legal firearms manufacture and would have been screeching about that. Hell, you can buy black powder musket, rifle and blunderbuss kits over the counter in some big box stores!
As far as your theory on firearms manufacturing and 3D printing guns, I disagree. I think it was only a matter of time before the left learned about legal firearms manufacture and would have been screeching about that. Hell, you can buy black powder musket, rifle and blunderbuss kits over the counter in some big box stores!
Annihilator
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I think your missing my point here, the making of 3-D guns brought all the attention to home built guns, which may or may not started the left to go after all the kits and such, and I wasn’t talking about any black powder guns
Wannabewoodsman
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Really? You weren't talking about home built guns? You're insinuating I'm a problem because I was asking about 3D printing. Your words verbatim are right above.
We gun owners, as a group, complain about govt regulations and over regulation as well as blatant trespassing on our rights when the answer to fears of confiscation and registration are staring us in the face.
I'm a problem because I have an interest in building and in the different methods of building guns?
RickAnderson
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IMO, the 3d printed guns hoopla was more leftist over reaction and media sensationalism, over something they didn't understand.
I think its the Polymer 80 kits that were the lynch pin. They anti-gunners squawked all about 3d printed guns and ghost guns, but when it came down to actually doing something about it, they soon learned it was a big nothing burger.
Having built two 80% frame 1911's, it's not an cheap easy way to avoid the normal process of purchasing a gun. If you can't own a gun and are looking to obtain a cheap gun illegally, the 80% metal frame/receiver is not the way to go. I'd start asking around the streets for someone selling illegal guns, in most cities your corner drug dealer can usually point you in the right direction. And not to boast about my own abilities, but finishing a 80% frame/receiver requires skills and knowledge and is not something a typical high school kid could accomplish on his own initiative (I'm sure there are exceptions though, and they are not likely criminals). You need some knowledge and skills sets that are transferable to the task. i.e. you don't have to be a gunsmith, but you do need to have a lot of experience with tinkering, mechanical repair and DIY projects that have developed that skill set and knowledge that can transfer over to finishing an 80% frame/receiver.
Then along comes the Polymer 80 kits and some others, I've seen frames as cheap $80. They need a plastic jig, to drill two holes with typical hand drills, then some plastic flash that can be removed knives/dremels/files or clippers and you have a finished Glock frame. This is practical for the crook looking for an illegal gun.
And even these aren't used in crime much at all. BUT, the reports are piling up of them being consfiscated by cops from people that can't legally own a firearm. So the anti-gunners finally have some meat for their claims.
I'm not making a moral judgement on Polymer 80 and similar products, I don't have anything against them. I just see it as a fact, their product changed the 80% frame/receiver game, and made it practical for those looking for an illegal gun to get one of these, while the previous metal 80% frame/receivers were not practical, the crooks would look for stolen or smuggled guns.
I think its the Polymer 80 kits that were the lynch pin. They anti-gunners squawked all about 3d printed guns and ghost guns, but when it came down to actually doing something about it, they soon learned it was a big nothing burger.
Having built two 80% frame 1911's, it's not an cheap easy way to avoid the normal process of purchasing a gun. If you can't own a gun and are looking to obtain a cheap gun illegally, the 80% metal frame/receiver is not the way to go. I'd start asking around the streets for someone selling illegal guns, in most cities your corner drug dealer can usually point you in the right direction. And not to boast about my own abilities, but finishing a 80% frame/receiver requires skills and knowledge and is not something a typical high school kid could accomplish on his own initiative (I'm sure there are exceptions though, and they are not likely criminals). You need some knowledge and skills sets that are transferable to the task. i.e. you don't have to be a gunsmith, but you do need to have a lot of experience with tinkering, mechanical repair and DIY projects that have developed that skill set and knowledge that can transfer over to finishing an 80% frame/receiver.
Then along comes the Polymer 80 kits and some others, I've seen frames as cheap $80. They need a plastic jig, to drill two holes with typical hand drills, then some plastic flash that can be removed knives/dremels/files or clippers and you have a finished Glock frame. This is practical for the crook looking for an illegal gun.
And even these aren't used in crime much at all. BUT, the reports are piling up of them being consfiscated by cops from people that can't legally own a firearm. So the anti-gunners finally have some meat for their claims.
I'm not making a moral judgement on Polymer 80 and similar products, I don't have anything against them. I just see it as a fact, their product changed the 80% frame/receiver game, and made it practical for those looking for an illegal gun to get one of these, while the previous metal 80% frame/receivers were not practical, the crooks would look for stolen or smuggled guns.
RickAnderson
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Considering the cost of a 3d printer of sufficient size and the supplies, I'm keeping an eye out for the next Gun Buy Back drive. I'm sure I can purchase the printer and supplies, print out a box of pistol frames and turn them in for cash, to make a very hefty profit.
Annihilator
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Where did I say your a problem? I never said anything like that and you know it, and I would never say anything like that to anybody, you’re just making a scene here cause you didn’t like my thoughts on your post. I am done with you and your posts, have a good life.
Keystone19250
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Agreed.