TacticalPirate
Master Class
My position is quit being a rumor propagator online and only post facts instead of fear.
ATF after FRT/Binary triggers
- Thread starter BlDragon
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BlDragon
Alpha
I have actually watched them all, I am not trying to scare anyone, just trying to make people aware and get involved. This current administration is not going to stop and they don't follow any rules, they make up rules and get what they want. If gun owners are not going to stand together and stay firm they will tear us apart and get their ways.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
The Federal and local Govt have enacted laws to ban guns, suppressors and firearm related items in states and cities for decades.
Yet people are surprised the feds would enact laws or threaten new regulation on triggers. Im 110% pro 2A and love binary triggers, but dont act surprised when something pushes the envelope
The gasoline, the food, the cars you use every day are regulated by the govt. pipeline projects got killed. Electric cars are being forced. What makes you think firearms are any different.
We turned a blind eye to convience on the autos, but complain about triggers ??
I dont like any govt intrusion, but that’s the way America works.
Dont get me started on Turkey and Alcohol taxes
Bassbob
Emissary
They confiscated WOT triggers.
ATF Raids & Force Reset Triggers, Additional Info, Updates & Corrections
A newly revealed FRT Trigger letter to law enforcement. Rare Breed Triggers was NOT raided but is preparing to file another lawsuit against the ATF.
www.ammoland.com
They clearly issued a cease and desist letter to Rare Breed. So encouraging people to go out and buy them is probably not the best idea. In fact I seem to recall that when they first came out, most of us here were basically uninterested and the few that were, even some of our left leaning members, vowed that buying them with cash would be prudent.
It's also a fact that the ATF is in possession of and digitizing millions of 4473s from FFL holders who are no longer in business. And the Biden administration is trying to extend the period these paper forms must be retained by license holders from 20 years to forever.
So you can stump for trusting the ATF to lose or magically do the right thing, but they have a history of being bastards, burning women and children, killing dogs, kids and women holding babies.. So good luck with that.
TacticalPirate
Master Class
You really have no nuance in your fear and just go into full panic.They confiscated WOT triggers.
ATF Raids & Force Reset Triggers, Additional Info, Updates & Corrections
A newly revealed FRT Trigger letter to law enforcement. Rare Breed Triggers was NOT raided but is preparing to file another lawsuit against the ATF.
They clearly issued a cease and desist letter to Rare Breed. So encouraging people to go out and buy them is probably not the best idea. In fact I seem to recall that when they first came out, most of us here were basically uninterested and the few that were, even some of our left leaning members, vowed that buying them with cash would be prudent.
It's also a fact that the ATF is in possession of and digitizing millions of 4473s from FFL holders who are no longer in business. And the Biden administration is trying to extend the period these paper forms must be retained by license holders from 20 years to forever.
So you can stump for trusting the ATF to lose or magically do the right thing, but they have a history of being bastards, burning women and children, killing dogs, kids and women holding babies.. So good luck with that.
The WOT was under injunction for patent infringement by Rare Breed and ordered by a judge to cease operations, their inventory taken to keep it from being sold.
Meanwhile Rare Breed was not raided, why? Because they hold the patent and are legal to sell.
TacticalPirate
Master Class
There's an entire thread that already discussed this issue based on the facts in full and we didn't need a second one.
BlDragon
Alpha
I guess I did not see that so it's my bad, can you point me to it!
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Guess we’re talking about the Mexican Drug Cartels?
Bassbob
Emissary
Waco, Ruby Ridge.
Bassbob
Emissary
Yeah. So are braced pistols and 80% lowers. And I ain't panicking, I don't own any of that shite. I also ain't going from thread to thread trying to convince anyone what a great and honorable and trustworthy agency the ATF is.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
I was being very sarcastic
Wannabewoodsman
Custom
What's to stop me from removing my brace on my AR pistol and installing my AR 15 stock if I so choose? Like I always say " 'Can' and 'should' are two very different things".
Bassbob
Emissary
Me too considering A) I have zero interest in force reset triggers or the like and B) I am not a fan of braces on AR pistols. I very much prefer a single point sling mounted at the end plate and foam on the tube so it rests comfortably on my cheek.
I have no interest in bump stocks either. Or full auto or suppressors, but I will fight like hell to get the government out of your way to own them if you choose.
Bassbob
Emissary
Same thing that's stopping you from putting your 7.5" upper on the lower from your carbine. Nothing. Likewise if you bought a stack of 80% lowers ( with cash at a gun show) nothing is stopping you from building those out at your leisure. Assuming the ATF doesn't decide to regulate LPKs, buffers, tubes, upper receivers, barrels and the other parts you need to build one out. Remember though, their proposed rule change includes redefining "Receiver" and they are VERY interested in totally eliminating on-line sales of firearms and ammo. Presumably this would include " Parts".
Like the man up there from Austin said, there are only 2600 agents nationwide, they don't have the manpower to enforce anything
.Chuck Schumer recently recommended increasing their budget from 1.4B to 3B though. That certainly would facilitate hiring a bunch of new agents eh?
TacticalPirate
Master Class
You clearly have your own agenda, putting words and deeds into people's mouth.
Jfal
Professional
So TP, is your intent here to goad people into an argument (some of us might call that a troll), or do you think that gun rights are NOT being slowly and incrementally chipped away and removed? Methinks its the former...
Admittedly I know that the "raid" was publicly stated as a patent infringement procedure, regardless of ulterior motives of which most of us (on this site) are highly skeptical.
Guys I think we are all on the right side of protecting our 2A rights.
Some may not believe anything will happen to them and some will believe that is already happening. Going at each other doesn't help the Pro 2A cause.
If you feel you need to own a certain item before it's too late own it or if you have no interest in owning an item that carries a potential future legal threat stay away from it.
The truth is all of our 2A rights have been continuously attacked by politicians & other groups and unfortunately they will keep chipping away one trigger, stock, and receiver at a time for the foreseeable future until owning even a useless hunk of metal is illegal.
The only way for this to end is if the anti 2A politicians are voted from office or states take it upon themselves to declare themselves 2A sanctuary's.
Some may not believe anything will happen to them and some will believe that is already happening. Going at each other doesn't help the Pro 2A cause.
If you feel you need to own a certain item before it's too late own it or if you have no interest in owning an item that carries a potential future legal threat stay away from it.
The truth is all of our 2A rights have been continuously attacked by politicians & other groups and unfortunately they will keep chipping away one trigger, stock, and receiver at a time for the foreseeable future until owning even a useless hunk of metal is illegal.
The only way for this to end is if the anti 2A politicians are voted from office or states take it upon themselves to declare themselves 2A sanctuary's.
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KillerFord1977
SAINT
TacticalPirate
Master Class
Talk about selective reading, all I've done is say chill propagating rumors, your triggers are for sale and are legal.
Rumor spreading is a destructive distraction that aids an anti gun agenda.
Saying don't spread disinformation is not the same as saying the ATF is your friend.
I in no way, shape or form enjoy being argumentative, but it is cringeworthy to watch people double down on narratives that aren't supported by anything other than unverified YouTube rumors.
No verified FFL has received contact from the ATF that their trigger stocks are illegal and going to be grounds for confiscation, Rare Breed has not been raided and is still selling and manufacturing, no buyers have been visited, no human being has been charged with a crime for possession or for manufacturing of these triggers.
They are legal, the ATF knows that they are, ATF expert witnesses know that they are, and the coming legal battle doesn't favor them because the NFA as written exonerates these semi auto triggers from the definition of a machine gun.
So don't stir everyone up about their triggers being illegal and that charges for possession of one are imminent, because to me that is actual trolling.
Grab one right now at MSRP on their website: https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15/
Or here from various FFLs around the nation selling them at MSRP:
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