ATF and Pistol Braces
- Thread starter Grifter
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Annihilator
Emissary
I figured sooner or later this would happen.......it always does.....
Annihilator
Emissary
Keystone19250
SAINT
Not sure about being referred to as toilet paper but aside from that he made some valid points. First and foremost work together. I don’t think this will go very far.
It is interesting that in the magazine I picked up “Firearms News” the author has a section right in the middle of the review on the Saint Edge EVAC AR Pistol. In that he writes,
STOP WRITING TO THE ATF!!
What he is saying is that to many people, even gun lovers and pro 2A gun people keep writing the ATF asking about AR Pistol braces and suppresser. His suggestion, STOP DOING THAT!!!
He says “every time someone writes the ATF it makes them think it needs further review”
He states that
“ever time someone writes the ATF for clarity on a particular subject it makes them think they need to make changes”
Author of the Saint article,
Patrick Sweeney.
Editorial Editor,
Vincent L. Senior.
It is interesting that in the magazine I picked up “Firearms News” the author has a section right in the middle of the review on the Saint Edge EVAC AR Pistol. In that he writes,
STOP WRITING TO THE ATF!!
What he is saying is that to many people, even gun lovers and pro 2A gun people keep writing the ATF asking about AR Pistol braces and suppresser. His suggestion, STOP DOING THAT!!!
He says “every time someone writes the ATF it makes them think it needs further review”
He states that
“ever time someone writes the ATF for clarity on a particular subject it makes them think they need to make changes”
Author of the Saint article,
Patrick Sweeney.
Editorial Editor,
Vincent L. Senior.
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Annihilator
Emissary
I don’t know, Nancy Pelosi is trying to push her gun background crap again, I made a post on this the other day.
Keystone19250
SAINT
She is a piece of work, and not in a good way.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Lets all just carry a Win 1892 strapped to our belt and do away with crazy laws
BET7
Ronin
Boy, I wonder if this happened,what are they going to require to all that own pistol braces, do (I'm guessing millions)? Will they be grandfathered in? Or like Bump Stocks, you have to destroy or turn them in to the Government?. I made a similar post on Classified's Binary trigger "Why" Thread Post, that we're only one incident away from having them reversed by the ATF (currently they are ruled legal). I can't see why SCOTUS, can't see this is an infringement on the 2nd Amendment if it was ever implemented. I'd like to say "they have their laws and I have mine! Mine is the U.S. Constitution, the Law of the Land!"
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BET7
Ronin
The way Lucas shot that thing, would have some politicians saying it's an assault weapon.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
They cannot ban the braces without banning the firearm. Without the brace, it is an SBR when you put a stock on it, which requires ATF stamp.
So I really dont see ATF doing anything based on years of legal production by major gun manufacturers. Unless, they issue a legal stamp to all those already manufactured, it would be a tough rollback
So I really dont see ATF doing anything based on years of legal production by major gun manufacturers. Unless, they issue a legal stamp to all those already manufactured, it would be a tough rollback
Annihilator
Emissary
My brother was telling me something similar after I sent him the link you posted, still, why now after all these years.
Keystone19250
SAINT
Money most likely. I would like to see how they are going to enforce a change in the ruling like that?
Grifter
Custom
Keystone19250
SAINT
Funny but probably not very far from the truth. Let’s face it some guys boss comes down and says your not doing enough let’s shake things up. What can we go after.
Annihilator
Emissary
Found this article concerning this situation,
www.gunsamerica.com
Lawmakers Send Letter to ATF to Stop Secret Rules Restricting Pistol Braces
A Congressman sent a letter to the ATF this week imploring the agency to keep its regulatory fingers off a pistol brace owned by thousands of citizens.
From the Truth about Guns
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
“We understand that ATF is currently considering restricting one arm brace model owned by over 700,000 Americans,” says Congressman Gaetz (R – FL). While this sounds like yet another cruel 2020 plot twist, TTAG spoke with Alex Bosco, CEO of SB Tactical (creator of the original Pistol Stabilizing Brace and the 800-lb gorilla in the space, both in sales and in legislative muscle). He explained that this is actually good news.
But first, the scary stuff! See Congressman Gaetz’s press release for the complete story, but here are a couple of important snippets:
But here’s the important part from his press release:
SB Tactical CEO Bosco explained to TTAG that nothing has changed at ATF since about 2015 regarding pistol braces. There is no new push for restrictions on arm braces; this is the same push that has been ongoing.
Here’s SB Tactical’s official statement on the matter:
For instance, the 13.5-inch length of pull maximum for pistol braces that nobody knew was a thing and led to the prosecution of this guy. Congress is finally doing a deep dive and finding out exactly why we’ve been complaining about the ATF and why we’ve been contacting our representatives about them. They have apparently now seen how this alphabet agency legislates by fiat, creating secret, unpublished rules and then using them to go after law-abiding citizens.
This sort of behavior — bureaucratic agencies effectively creating laws rather than implementing or enforcing them — is precisely what this 2019 Executive Order from President Trump is designed to prohibit. Here’s a Bloomberg article (sorry) summarizing the purpose of it and another, similar EO signed on the same day.
Worse than simply creating new rules is the fact that they often exist solely in agency-internal memos. The public isn’t notified of the rules (let alone given a public comment period, such as what happened with the proposed M855 ammo ban), yet the agency attempts to actively enforce them on otherwise law-abiding folk with no intention or knowledge of breaking the law.
Imagine if speed limits were like this, set by some faceless agency — but only internally — so drivers have no way of knowing what the speed limit is on any given road. Yet they’re liable for violating the limit and ticketed when they do. Now imagine, as is the case with many of these ATF rules, that the charge for such a violation is a 10-year federal felony.
Mr. Bosco is more deeply involved in the politics and legalities of pistol stabilizing braces than anyone. He’s in DC regularly and SB Tactical and their attorneys (most notably Mike Sullivan…yes, that Mike Sullivan, former Director of the ATF) are in direct, frequent communication with the top brass of the ATF and the ATF’s legal team.
So when Bosco says he isn’t aware of any pending announcements relating to new pistol brace regulation and that, based on what he’s aware of today, the only change here is that Congress has finally taken notice of the ATF’s regulatory antics, I believe it. And it’s about time.
Good news.
US Rep. Matt Gaetz Goes After ATF's Apparent Plans to Restrict Pistol Braces - The Truth About Guns
“We understand that ATF is currently considering restricting one arm brace model owned by over 700,000 Americans,” says Congressman Gaetz (R – FL). While this sounds like yet another cruel 2020 plot twist, TTAG spoke with Alex Bosco, CEO of SB Tactical (creator of the original Pistol Stabilizing...
www.thetruthaboutguns.com
“We understand that ATF is currently considering restricting one arm brace model owned by over 700,000 Americans,” says Congressman Gaetz (R – FL). While this sounds like yet another cruel 2020 plot twist, TTAG spoke with Alex Bosco, CEO of SB Tactical (creator of the original Pistol Stabilizing Brace and the 800-lb gorilla in the space, both in sales and in legislative muscle). He explained that this is actually good news.
But first, the scary stuff! See Congressman Gaetz’s press release for the complete story, but here are a couple of important snippets:
Rep. Gaetz has reacted to this by sending what I can only assume are two very strongly-worded letters to the ATF demanding that they knock it off and to the DOJ asking for a review of the ATF’s decision-making.
But here’s the important part from his press release:
This is the crux of why Rep. Gaetz’s story is good news for the black collar community, despite looking like quite the opposite at first glance.
SB Tactical CEO Bosco explained to TTAG that nothing has changed at ATF since about 2015 regarding pistol braces. There is no new push for restrictions on arm braces; this is the same push that has been ongoing.
Here’s SB Tactical’s official statement on the matter:
So, what has changed that led Rep. Gaetz to publish this notice? Congress has taken notice. They are looking into the ATF’s practice of arbitrarily, suddenly, and “secretly” (in so far as they make no public mention) creating and changing firearms regulations…and then attempting to prosecute based on these rules.
For instance, the 13.5-inch length of pull maximum for pistol braces that nobody knew was a thing and led to the prosecution of this guy. Congress is finally doing a deep dive and finding out exactly why we’ve been complaining about the ATF and why we’ve been contacting our representatives about them. They have apparently now seen how this alphabet agency legislates by fiat, creating secret, unpublished rules and then using them to go after law-abiding citizens.
This sort of behavior — bureaucratic agencies effectively creating laws rather than implementing or enforcing them — is precisely what this 2019 Executive Order from President Trump is designed to prohibit. Here’s a Bloomberg article (sorry) summarizing the purpose of it and another, similar EO signed on the same day.
Worse than simply creating new rules is the fact that they often exist solely in agency-internal memos. The public isn’t notified of the rules (let alone given a public comment period, such as what happened with the proposed M855 ammo ban), yet the agency attempts to actively enforce them on otherwise law-abiding folk with no intention or knowledge of breaking the law.
Imagine if speed limits were like this, set by some faceless agency — but only internally — so drivers have no way of knowing what the speed limit is on any given road. Yet they’re liable for violating the limit and ticketed when they do. Now imagine, as is the case with many of these ATF rules, that the charge for such a violation is a 10-year federal felony.
Mr. Bosco is more deeply involved in the politics and legalities of pistol stabilizing braces than anyone. He’s in DC regularly and SB Tactical and their attorneys (most notably Mike Sullivan…yes, that Mike Sullivan, former Director of the ATF) are in direct, frequent communication with the top brass of the ATF and the ATF’s legal team.
So when Bosco says he isn’t aware of any pending announcements relating to new pistol brace regulation and that, based on what he’s aware of today, the only change here is that Congress has finally taken notice of the ATF’s regulatory antics, I believe it. And it’s about time.
Good news.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
You can ban all the guns and equipment all you want. Evil will find a way.
Two of the worst tragedies and loss of life in America happened without guns.
Fertilizer and airplanes with box cutters.
Oklahoma city and 9/11.
when will govt understand the firearm is not the issue
Two of the worst tragedies and loss of life in America happened without guns.
Fertilizer and airplanes with box cutters.
Oklahoma city and 9/11.
when will govt understand the firearm is not the issue
Grifter
Custom
Good info sir.Found this article concerning this situation,
Lawmakers Send Letter to ATF to Stop Secret Rules Restricting Pistol Braces
A Congressman sent a letter to the ATF this week imploring the agency to keep its regulatory fingers off a pistol brace owned by thousands of citizens.
Let us hope the ATF backs away from the issue.