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Ayoob: Springfield Echelon Review
- Thread starter Mike H.
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rcurtner
Professional
Upon receiving my Echelon I checked the trigger pull with the Lyman Digital trigger pull gauge. 5 pulls averaged 5.8lbs. A few forum members told me their Echelons ran from 4.5-5.5 lbs. After installing the Powder River trigger kit 4.2lbs is the average. Initial take-up is almost no movement at all, over travel around 1/16". The reset was about the same as the stock trigger.
powerboatr
Professional
i like how he states in many pistol reviews to leave trigger pull close to stock. His reasoning is if you get caught up on a court case, your pistol is not seen as modified to shoot easier. he mentions to use the first joint on the booger pick to gain more leverage and trigger control ( i greatly paraphrased )
rcurtner
Professional
I've heard a fair amount of chatter about defending against a non-intentonial discharge. In a real life deadly encounter your firing was very much intentional & the light trigger pull had no bearing whatsoever. My trigger pull of 4.2lbs is not what I would consider as "hair triggered". I'm not a lawyer, can't give you legal advice. I know its often said that it's better to be tried by 12 VS carried by 6.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Arthritis in finger joints makes a lighter trigger pull necessary as one has issue pulling the stock trigger , thus the modifications.
rcurtner
Professional
Have the same problem with my 76 year old fingers. I guess getting older is better than not. Probably like you we just deal with it & move on.Arthritis in finger joints makes a lighter trigger pull necessary as one has issue pulling the stock trigger , thus the modifications.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
No writer, gun expert or citizen has ever provided proof that an armed citizen lost a court case due to a legal modification of a gun. Ever.
Triggers are legal to modify with a lighter pull.
wolfpack076
Professional
LOVE my Echelon. Going on a little over 500 rounds. Only issue I had was the optics cover plate was coming loose. A little loc tite solved that issue. Actually awaiting a holster from Wright Leather Works to arrive for her....
Snake45
Professional
That is an EXCELLENT point I hadn't thought of, nor ever heard anyone, anywhere, discuss, not even Booya Sam. I would advise getting some documentation to that effect from a doctor, and filing it away in case you ever need it, so you can't be accused of pulling that rationalization out of your ass after the fact. If you're "on record" with it BEFOREHAND, you take the whole issue off the table. (Booya Sam has taught me how to THINK about this whole subject) Great post!Arthritis in finger joints makes a lighter trigger pull necessary as one has issue pulling the stock trigger , thus the modifications.
Snake45
Professional
I'll stipulate that your premise is true, just for the sake of argument. We live in a time where people get accused of and convicted of things every day that they've never had any trouble with before. I have no desire to be the very first one, EVER, ANYWHERE, to lose a court case on such an issue, correctly or not. I'd prefer to just take the damn issue off the table to start with.
First thing I did when I got home from LFI-1 in 1988 was take the light mainspring out of my "house" 1911 and put in a heavier one. This brought my trigger pull up from just under four pounds to just under five. I figger in the "heat of battle," I'll never notice the extra pound.
I told you Booya Sam taught me HOW to think about this stuff.
Bassbob
Emissary
In fact they are safer as they make you more likely to hit your target.
Also all the writers are parroting other writers and the ones they are parroting work or get paid to promote carry insurance outfits like USCCA.
Snake45
Professional
Bassbob
Emissary
Feel free to show me one example. And feel free to give your money to whatever scheister lawyers you want to . It's a free country.
Snake45
Professional
One example of what? With all due respect, Bob, you're the one making assertions and allegations of various sorts. I'm just sitting here with my popcorn. Or feel free to give the name(s) of the source(s) of your legal advice. Maybe you've gotten better legal advice than I have. I'm willing to listen.
While I can understand where Ayoob is coming from and respect his experience. I do think you could justify a modified trigger. You are responsible for every round fired and the placement of those rounds, thus a modified trigger was installed to improve accuracy. I would like to think this is a pretty reasonable defense. Granted I am not a lawyer hell bent on prosecuting someone for protecting themself.
Although if you were to be involved in a shooting, and your defense was “the gun just went off” then I could see a modified trigger being a liability. That seems like a poor defense in general.
Although personally, running stock triggers on my EDC and HD guns. This is why the xdm with 3lb PRP trigger now sits in the safe and comes out for range days. Hopefully soon for some competition shootings if I ever get more free time. Currently choose to spend my free time with my kiddos Cept for a range day once a month and hunting season of course.
Although if you were to be involved in a shooting, and your defense was “the gun just went off” then I could see a modified trigger being a liability. That seems like a poor defense in general.
Although personally, running stock triggers on my EDC and HD guns. This is why the xdm with 3lb PRP trigger now sits in the safe and comes out for range days
. Hopefully soon for some competition shootings if I ever get more free time. Currently choose to spend my free time with my kiddos Cept for a range day once a month and hunting season of course.
rcurtner
Professional
Having an attorney or the defendant testifying the gun just went off rates pretty high as extremely stupid. I have been carrying a handgun for most of my adult life and have never seen or heard of one going off by its self. Dropping one or bumping into something could possibly cause an accidental discharge. Holding a handgun pointing at someone saying it went off by its self might well send you to prison. PacNwvike I guess have to say just about anything is possible, but in this case not probable.
rcurtner
Professional
As others have said a lighter trigger pull enhances accuracy. Old hands like mine get a little stiff (arthritis ) and the lighter pull helps. Keeping your finger off the trigger is the best safety for not firing before identifying a real threat to you or others.
I need to figure out the sarcasm/joking font lol. But there was that one recently, I want to say Nashville. Guy shot girlfriend, and yes used the “gun just went off” defense. Although pretty sure criminally convicted. I agree it’s not a bad defense. Unless it’s a p320 apparently lol.