Black rifle almost had me

[TacticalPirate]

Lol I'm not arguing.

Sorry for the confusion, I know written text can carry a different tone but that wasn't my intention.

I thought I was respectfully replying back to the post of mine that you quoted with my opinion on AR builds.

Rereading my reply I can see how this may have been taken.

All good.

 

[Bassbob]

As you know, it's such an incestuous industry and modular platform that Aero and a number of companies are all using the same parts mostly. There are only five or six barrel makers supplying them all as it is.

Unless you're an elite shooter, collector or gun snob, an LWC or Daniel Defense is just going to be a waste of money on the average plinker and occasional hog shooter.

If you build an Aero, some PSAs, or buy an M&P 15, Ruger 556, Saint, Sig Tread, Stag Arms, or Windham, the average shooter is going to be just as content with the product as the Colt, Daniel Defense, Geissele, LaRue, LWC, Wilson Combat, Sons of Liberty crowd.

I disagree. ARs are like any other gun. Some are better than others and anyone who spends enough time shooting them will definitely be able to tell the difference. There is a reasonable argument that a combat/duty/self defense weapon doesn't need to be completely accurate or at least there is a point of diminishing returns, but that doesn't change the fact that the upper tier stuff is better than the lower tier stuff. And less opportunity for tolerance stacking.

Also the thing about barrel makers isn't really true. BCA makes their own barrels, Rosco makes their own barrels. There are a lot of brands using BA and others that are rebranding though so our censors rate your claim half true.

 

[TacticalPirate]

I disagree. ARs are like any other gun. Some are better than others and anyone who spends enough time shooting them will definitely be able to tell the difference. There is a reasonable argument that a combat/duty/self defense weapon doesn't need to be completely accurate or at least there is a point of diminishing returns, but that doesn't change the fact that the upper tier stuff is better than the lower tier stuff. And less opportunity for tolerance stacking.

Also the thing about barrel makers isn't really true. BCA makes their own barrels, Rosco makes their own barrels. There are a lot of brands using BA and others that are rebranding though so our censors rate your claim half true.

I didn't disparage the expensive guns, I said they were not for casual shooters that don't know the platform, the guns are only as good as the shooter.

An off the shelf "budget" gun is deadlier in the hands of a skilled operator than a decked out LWRC or HK MA556A1 is with someone picking up their first AR and who just intends to plink.

What you do with the rifle dictates everything, and why the modularity of it is so attractive and versatile.

But expensive ARs are particularly useless to people that don't train with them.

Whereas an expensive 30-06 deer rifle or over under 12 gauge can at least be a piece of functional art if not owned by an avid hunter, the AR is not known for its traditional beauty (it is engineering beauty though). Thus ARs don't do well in the resell market the way other expensive guns do.

 

[Bassbob]

I didn't disparage the expensive guns, I said they were not for casual shooters that don't know the platform, the guns are only as good as the shooter.

An off the shelf "budget" gun is deadlier in the hands of a skilled operator than a decked out LWC or HK MA556A1 is with someone picking up their first AR and who just intends to plink.

What you do with the rifle dictates everything, and why the modularity of it is so attractive and versatile.

But expensive ARs are particularly useless to people that don't train with them.

Whereas an expensive 30-06 deer rifle or over under 12 gauge can at least be a piece of functional art if not owned by an avid hunter, the AR is not known for its traditional beauty (it is engineering beauty though). Thus ARs don't do well in the resell market the way other expensive guns do.

I don’t disagree with that. Though I personally find beauty in ARs ( as do you) and in nice ones more so than pedestrian models. I don’t care for the classic M4 type though. Rails for me please.

 

[HansGruber]

I didn't disparage the expensive guns, I said they were not for casual shooters that don't know the platform, the guns are only as good as the shooter.

An off the shelf "budget" gun is deadlier in the hands of a skilled operator than a decked out LWRC or HK MA556A1 is with someone picking up their first AR and who just intends to plink.

What you do with the rifle dictates everything, and why the modularity of it is so attractive and versatile.

But expensive ARs are particularly useless to people that don't train with them.

Whereas an expensive 30-06 deer rifle or over under 12 gauge can at least be a piece of functional art if not owned by an avid hunter, the AR is not known for its traditional beauty (it is engineering beauty though). Thus ARs don't do well in the resell market the way other expensive guns do.

Yes, but a decked out rifle in the hands of the operator would be a whole lot more effective, no?

Which means…a top shelf rifle WILL give you an edge, all other things being equal.

 

[HansGruber]

I gotta say…I think a lot of people who “poo-poo” top-shelf stuff (AR’s, 1911’s, glass, etc) are 1)suffering from sour grapes syndrome and/or 2)have zero hands on experience with them.

At least, that’s what I’ve found in real life.

 

[TacticalPirate]

I gotta say…I think a lot of people who “poo-poo” top-shelf stuff (AR’s, 1911’s, glass, etc) are 1)suffering from sour grapes syndrome and/or 2)have zero hands on experience with them.

At least, that’s what I’ve found in real life.

I assure you if I want a gun I get it. And no, saying a good gun can be overpriced and not worth it for a casual shooter is not sour grapes.

Being anti gun snob is not being anti buy what you want.

 

[Bassbob]

I assure you if I want a gun I get it. And no, saying a good gun can be overpriced and not worth it for a casual shooter is not sour grapes.

Being anti gun snob is not being anti buy what you want.

He wasn't referring to you directly TP. As a general rule I kinda agree. It's the same with musical instruments, amplifiers, etc..