Concealed Carry Corner: Capability vs Mobility
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BET7
Ronin
Interesting read, thanks Talyn.
I started with the Glock G19 and S&W M&P 9mm (both 4"+ bbls) for CCW. Next I gravitated to the sub compacts: S&W PC Shields 9,40,45, P365, Hellcat, H&K VP9SK, CZ 2075 BD ROMI, Glock G43, G26, G27, G29, SA XD.Mod2, XDs, XDe (all .45 in 3.3" bbl), etc. (all 3"+ bbls). Although I would still carry any of these, I've recently been moving towards the Compact to mid-range sizes: S&W M&P 9 & 40, SIG P320's 9,40,45, P365 XL, FN 509 MRD Compact, FNS 9C, Beretta APX Compact (all 3.5"+ bbls). My EDC is still the Shield Performance Center 45, as it's the one I've trained with the most. But I've recently been shooting the Hellcat and regular size P365 and want to start shooting with my recently purchased FN 509 MRD Compact (with Trijicon SRO optic), P365 XL (with Romeo Zero optic still on back order from Optics Planet), and the Beretta APX. It's great to have all these choices.
I started with the Glock G19 and S&W M&P 9mm (both 4"+ bbls) for CCW. Next I gravitated to the sub compacts: S&W PC Shields 9,40,45, P365, Hellcat, H&K VP9SK, CZ 2075 BD ROMI, Glock G43, G26, G27, G29, SA XD.Mod2, XDs, XDe (all .45 in 3.3" bbl), etc. (all 3"+ bbls). Although I would still carry any of these, I've recently been moving towards the Compact to mid-range sizes: S&W M&P 9 & 40, SIG P320's 9,40,45, P365 XL, FN 509 MRD Compact, FNS 9C, Beretta APX Compact (all 3.5"+ bbls). My EDC is still the Shield Performance Center 45, as it's the one I've trained with the most. But I've recently been shooting the Hellcat and regular size P365 and want to start shooting with my recently purchased FN 509 MRD Compact (with Trijicon SRO optic), P365 XL (with Romeo Zero optic still on back order from Optics Planet), and the Beretta APX. It's great to have all these choices.
Troy Scott Fitch
Master Class
Great read.This is just me,but carry the biggest cal.i n the smallest firearm you can shoot with the ability for follow up shots. The main thing is to put them where they count.
ghosttwofive
Custom
Do you have the APX Centurion model? Watched all kinds videos on it but don't know anyone who actually has one. How do you like the Beretta if you don't mind me asking. Right now my next target handgun is either a CZ P10C or a Beretta APX Centurion. Thanks for any info.Interesting read, thanks Talyn.
I started with the Glock G19 and S&W M&P 9mm (both 4"+ bbls) for CCW. Next I gravitated to the sub compacts: S&W PC Shields 9,40,45, P365, Hellcat, H&K VP9SK, CZ 2075 BD ROMI, Glock G43, G26, G27, G29, SA XD.Mod2, XDs, XDe (all .45 in 3.3" bbl), etc. (all 3"+ bbls). Although I would still carry any of these, I've recently been moving towards the Compact to mid-range sizes: S&W M&P 9 & 40, SIG P320's 9,40,45, P365 XL, FN 509 MRD Compact, FNS 9C, Beretta APX Compact (all 3.5"+ bbls). My EDC is still the Shield Performance Center 45, as it's the one I've trained with the most. But I've recently been shooting the Hellcat and regular size P365 and want to start shooting with my recently purchased FN 509 MRD Compact (with Trijicon SRO optic), P365 XL (with Romeo Zero optic still on back order from Optics Planet), and the Beretta APX. It's great to have all these choices.
BET7
Ronin
It's funny you asked this. When I went to my Local Gun Store (LGS), I asked my buddy there, if they had the APX Compact. He thought they did & took me down to the Beretta display showing the APX Compact on the price tag. It felt good, and after handling it for a bit, I decided to take it. I got home and looked on the Gun Case label and it listed it as the Centurion. Apparently, when they received the gun, the Centurion was the smallest size and the "true" compact was introduced later, so they just listed the Centurion as the compact model. No problem, since the Beretta APX was their first "Striker Fire" gun made to compete in the then Army's Modular replacement firearm contract, I can remove the Fire Control Group (Like SIG's P320's that I have in their different calibers), and replace the centurion grip (15 rounds), with the Compact Grip (13 rounds), since the barrel and slides are the same length in each model. I've done several of the P320's, changing to subcompacts by buying their Xchange kits. I haven't done the APX yet, but from watching Scooth00's Video during his review of the Centurion, he showed how to change the grips in one of his videos. It looks pretty straight forward, you just need to be careful undoing a spring that is connected to the FCG and frame and then replacing the group w/ spring in the new frame.
As far as your 2nd question, unfortunately I just purchased this recently along with the FN 509 and P365XL in late February, before I got to go to the range in March, this virus stuff happened and the ranges were forced to close in my State.
ghosttwofive
Custom
Thanks for the info sir. I wasn't aware that the Centurion was actually the smaller version. It sure looks like a shooter on the videos I've watched. I saw the full size APX version on sale the other day for $322.00 somewhere but it looked pretty large, but the compact looked very nice on the Youtube videos. I haven't been able to find one anywhere around where I live. I found the smaller version, which I guess is the sub-compact but the grip is too short for my big hands. I held a CZ P10C and it was perfect as far as grip length, and the APX compact looks like it has a similar length. Is it very top heavy? The slide looks pretty thick on top. Sorry for all the questions, just curious, I'm a big Beretta fan, my first handgun I purchased was a Beretta 92FS eons ago and sure wish I'd have kept the thing, it was a beauty.
BET7
Ronin
No problem ghosttwofive, happy to answer whatever I can. The sub compact is called the APX carry ( it’s their newest & a single stack). I was thinking of getting one but my “buddy” ? 10mmLife bought the last one (I believe he has a CZ 10 which he likes, so maybe he can regal us in some of his expertise on that subject (then again, probably not)). I don’t find the APX Centurion top heavy to my tastes, I just wanted the Compact’s grip for the 13 rounds so it’s less printing when carrying. Since all APXs can use each other’s mags, I can carry the 2 15 rounders w/Beretta mag sleeves, giving me plenty of rounds. I recently got interested in Berettas & bought a used 92A1. I liked it so much I bought the 92A3, and then along with the APX Centurion, the 92FS (my next purchases would be the APX Carry and new 92X, which they have special prices running up to June 30th).
I’ve attached pics of the APX Centurion & 92FS for your enjoyment (and 10mmLife’s envy, as he’ll never have the collection I have. Right 10?) @10mmLife
(I believe he has a CZ 10 which he likes, so maybe he can regal us in some of his expertise on that subject (then again, probably not)). I don’t find the APX Centurion top heavy to my tastes, I just wanted the Compact’s grip for the 13 rounds so it’s less printing when carrying. Since all APXs can use each other’s mags, I can carry the 2 15 rounders w/Beretta mag sleeves, giving me plenty of rounds. I recently got interested in Berettas & bought a used 92A1. I liked it so much I bought the 92A3, and then along with the APX Centurion, the 92FS (my next purchases would be the APX Carry and new 92X, which they have special prices running up to June 30th).I’ve attached pics of the APX Centurion & 92FS for your enjoyment (and 10mmLife’s envy, as he’ll never have the collection I have
. Right 10?) @10mmLife
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Hello.. First time here. Have a Hellcat. Was told the RomeoZero would fit the OSP. Any thoughtsInteresting read, thanks Talyn.
I started with the Glock G19 and S&W M&P 9mm (both 4"+ bbls) for CCW. Next I gravitated to the sub compacts: S&W PC Shields 9,40,45, P365, Hellcat, H&K VP9SK, CZ 2075 BD ROMI, Glock G43, G26, G27, G29, SA XD.Mod2, XDs, XDe (all .45 in 3.3" bbl), etc. (all 3"+ bbls). Although I would still carry any of these, I've recently been moving towards the Compact to mid-range sizes: S&W M&P 9 & 40, SIG P320's 9,40,45, P365 XL, FN 509 MRD Compact, FNS 9C, Beretta APX Compact (all 3.5"+ bbls). My EDC is still the Shield Performance Center 45, as it's the one I've trained with the most. But I've recently been shooting the Hellcat and regular size P365 and want to start shooting with my recently purchased FN 509 MRD Compact (with Trijicon SRO optic), P365 XL (with Romeo Zero optic still on back order from Optics Planet), and the Beretta APX. It's great to have all these choices.
BET7
Ronin
It appears the it might, but it looks like there may be issues with the mounting screws. The attached links below (one from this forum that was apparently asked before), and one from an Optics Planet review when I ordered mine (still on back order). I ordered it for my Sig P365XL and although I have a Hellcat, I didn't buy the OSP model 
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www.thearmorylife.com
www.opticsplanet.com
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Romeo zero on a Hellcat
Is there anyone here that has mounted a Romeo zero on a Hellcat yet? The two sets of screws Sig sent are both a little long. Just wondering if I’m doing something wrong. thanks, Shaun
www.thearmorylife.com
Ed W's Review ofSIG SAUER Romeo Zero Red Dot Sight 1x 6 MOA
I unfortunately only have one of the Romeo Zeros after waiting for 3 months. I have another on order but when it may show up is anybody's guess. I...
BET7
Ronin
No problem Radar. I believe it was $199 from Optics Planet as well. I ordered it but then found out it went into back order status. I hope you have better luck and get it while in stock from wherever. I'll probably give OP a call soon to see where my order stands. Good luck with your Hellcat, I love my non OSP version.
BET7
Ronin
You too. Post how you made out when completed, as another poster (or two), were also curious on the same question.
BET7
Ronin
I have all calibers of the P320 with numerous different grips and Xchange kits. I was looking at some of their Optic ready slides (most were out of stock on Sig's site), specifically for my P320 Sub compact 9mm. It was fairly expensive, but I suppose cheaper than having a gunsmith cut my current slide. Like you, aging eyes, so I'm starting to look into pistol carry optics. I bought a FN 509 MRD Compact 9mm and a Trijicon SRO optic for it (along with the P365XL and back ordered Romeo Zero). It was right before the pandemic hit, so I'll have to wait to try it out. I do have a Glock G40 10mm with a Trijicon RMR that I shot. It was a bit different to adjust to the optic presentation in general, but I'm willing to learn. Anyways, welcome to the Forum, it's good to have you here.
