CPRC claims citizen intervention greater than FBI reports

[Sld1959]

Just started reading a years back issues of Gun Test magazine that i had built up in anticipation of this year's lone hunting trip, which will not occur.

In the first issue, December of 2022, in the editors page it is stated that the CPRC a Dr Lotts Crime prevention research center, which I had never heard of before, claimed that the actual armed citizen intervention which stopped active shooters was 34.4% as opposed to the FBI reported 4.4% that's a huge differential, too huge.

I have to wonder where that difference comes from, and who is closer to the actual numbers. Obviously someone is leaving a lot out, or adding a lot in.

It might be interesting to look further into.

 

[Lab Us]

Seems that was the number that resulted in successful self-defense, not stopped active shooters. Really, if just presenting a firearm in a self defense event causes bad guy to disengage and flee, that counts as a successful use (to most logical folks). I don’t believe the FBI, gun grabbers, or other anti 2A folks choose to see it that way.

Now 4.4% preventing active shooters…I could see that. But stopping active shooters and self-defense scenarios are apples and oranges, at least to me.

 

[Shibadog]

Seems that was the number that resulted in successful self-defense, not stopped active shooters. Really, if just presenting a firearm in a self defense event causes bad guy to disengage and flee, that counts as a successful use (to most logical folks). I don’t believe the FBI, gun grabbers, or other anti 2A folks choose to see it that way.

Now 4.4% preventing active shooters…I could see that. But stopping active shooters and self-defense scenarios are apples and oranges, at least to me.

This. The mere presence of a firearm in the hand of someone prepared to use it if necessary will cause a prudent thug to seek easier prey elsewhere (after changing their soiled skivvies). THAT is by any measure a “successful” action.

 

[Bassbob]

Just started reading a years back issues of Gun Test magazine that i had built up in anticipation of this year's lone hunting trip, which will not occur.

In the first issue, December of 2022, in the editors page it is stated that the CPRC a Dr Lotts Crime prevention research center, which I had never heard of before, claimed that the actual armed citizen intervention which stopped active shooters was 34.4% as opposed to the FBI reported 4.4% that's a huge differential, too huge.

I have to wonder where that difference comes from, and who is closer to the actual numbers. Obviously someone is leaving a lot out, or adding a lot in.

It might be interesting to look further into.

There was an article detailing it in an NRA mag about a year or two ago. As I recall, Lott’s research is pretty irrefutable.

 

[bc22wm]

I wouldn't trust the FBI to give me the correct time of day.
Take for example the "3 shots fired in a average gun fight." Most of that comes from an FBI study. The problem is methodology. In their stats they added cops shot from ambush and never drawing their weapon, and suicides. (harsh as it sounds, we can pray only one shot was fired) Plus how they determined what was a gun fight. cop and bad guy exchange 3 shots at each other in the street, then move into a building and exchange 3 more, then to the back ally and exchange 3 more. Per FBI methodology the good guy (the cop in case you were in doubt ) did NOT fire 9 shots it was counted as THREE separate shooting with three shots each.
I don't know if it is ingrained institutional stupidity, or deliberate messaging the numbers to get the desired results. 4.4% my left foot.

 

[trader]

Bc- good points, and so many other methodologies - No confidence in them either. Is it about time we can discuss that ridiculous gelatin block stuff - so many YT vids convincing ppl that their fav calibers will actually perform like they just watched. No organs, no differing densities of musculature, no tendons, ligaments, which are quite tough btw, no bones, etc etc. Never met a person or animal with 12, 16, or 32 inches of soft muscle tissue.

 

[Shibadog]

I wouldn't trust the FBI to give me the correct time of day.
Take for example the "3 shots fired in a average gun fight." Most of that comes from an FBI study. The problem is methodology. In their stats they added cops shot from ambush and never drawing their weapon, and suicides. (harsh as it sounds, we can pray only one shot was fired) Plus how they determined what was a gun fight. cop and bad guy exchange 3 shots at each other in the street, then move into a building and exchange 3 more, then to the back ally and exchange 3 more. Per FBI methodology the good guy (the cop in case you were in doubt ) did NOT fire 9 shots it was counted as THREE separate shooting with three shots each.
I don't know if it is ingrained institutional stupidity, or deliberate messaging the numbers to get the desired results. 4.4% my left foot.

There’s an old saying, “figures don’t lie, but liars figure…”