Differences in model numbers,
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HansGruber
Ronin
The latter is California compliant.
Keystone19250
SAINT
Correct me if I’m wrong but are not all 1911’s Cal. Compliant because of magazine capacity or is there something else involved.
Asking for a friend.
Wirenut
Hellcat
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There are many different 1911 models on the market, but only a few are legal in California. The reason for this is that California has more restrictive gun laws than most other states. The most important thing to know about California legal 1911 pistols is that they must feature a microstamp. A...
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HansGruber
Ronin
No…they also require a “drop safety”…either a firing pin block (ie, series 80/Swartz safety), or a low mass firing pinCorrect me if I’m wrong but are not all 1911’s Cal. Compliant because of magazine capacity or is there something else involved.
Asking for a friend.
Keystone19250
SAINT
You would think or at least I would that manufacturers would include those safety features across the board Cal. Compliant or not.
HansGruber
Ronin
It’s really questionable if they are actually necessary…and the firing pin block tends to make a sub-optimal trigger.You would think or at least I would that manufacturers would include those safety features across the board Cal. Compliant or not.
Keystone19250
SAINT
Well I’ve never dropped any of my guns anyway and I won’t be moving to California.
SimonRL
Hellcat
A lot of people, myself included are not a fan of the Swartz safety.You would think or at least I would that manufacturers would include those safety features across the board Cal. Compliant or not.
Annihilator
Emissary
No fan either plus it makes taking apart and reassembling a pain aka Kimber
Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, why should gun manufacturers comply with Commiefornia for across the board features, just asking not being a smart guyYou would think or at least I would that manufacturers would include those safety features across the board Cal. Compliant or not.
HansGruber
Ronin
Simple economics.
California is the most populous state in the US; that’s a whole lot of potential customers, and a whole lot of lost revenue if you don’t make guns that comply.
In the case of the 1911, it’s just using a slightly more expensive part (titanium firing pin vs steel) to meet the specs.
It’s fairly obvious that pretty much all of the major manufacturers think it’s worth the investment to make CA compliant guns…since most of them do.
Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, makes sense
This is only going to get more complicated as different states pass different laws. Some states require the loaded chamber indicator, others like Massachusetts have the hole I think. Plus some now comes with marking on top of the slide that states loaded when up next to the chamber indicator.
The article posted by wirenut referred specifically to 1911’s. Which mattered most since that was the OP question. But when looking for guns to buy it’s good to double check model numbers prior to
Purchase otherwise you could end up with something you didn’t intend. Like Washington has the 10 round mag ban, but a lot of the other state compliant models have features I didn’t want. I ordered a normal one and the FFL just didn’t send the mags.
The article posted by wirenut referred specifically to 1911’s. Which mattered most since that was the OP question. But when looking for guns to buy it’s good to double check model numbers prior to
Purchase otherwise you could end up with something you didn’t intend. Like Washington has the 10 round mag ban, but a lot of the other state compliant models have features I didn’t want. I ordered a normal one and the FFL just didn’t send the mags.
Keystone19250
SAINT
I don’t consider you a smart guy,
Wait that didn’t come out right.
Just kidding.
I’m just thinking on the side of safety.
I didn’t know it affected the trigger that much.
Old_Me
SAINT
i was thinking about removing my Kimber's Schwartz safety, but then i had to ship it back to Kimber for warranty, so glad i didn't and given that it is a system they have been using for Eons, i don't think i wanna mess with it.
Old_Me
SAINT
as mentioned, it means the gun is CA compliant. i think MA, and MD, and some other states have such codes, that i see, when i look at the specs sheets.
i had bought a CA compliant 1911 from my LGS last year, if i recall it was a S/A G'ment model, and then the MSH (main spring housing), had a lock built into it.
i replaced not only that MSH, but the guts inside as well, as the locking device if i recall, had a shorter spring, due to the locking mechanism..???
HansGruber
Ronin
Not really.
You just make a model that works for the most stringent requirements (ie, CA) and sell that one in the states that have any additional requirements.
But yes, it’s best to pay attention to what model you’re getting.
Yeah that would be one of doing it. I know for example of sig sauer website under some of their p226 models. They list NY/NJ model, a MA model, and a CA model.
Frankly I haven’t figured out all the differences. I think the NY model is just 10 round mags, while CA and MA include different things.
I was trying to find more examples of this, but not yet. The p320 line seems to only have other models for NY/NJ it’s not on California approved list.
Barrera has different model numbers for m9a1 harder to tell, one ends in m9a1CA so I assume that’s California. The other ends in just m9a1 but listed at 10 rounds. The third ends in m9a1M but 15 rounds.
Didn’t see anything like this on Glock website. But yeah right now it makes buying more interesting lol
Frankly I haven’t figured out all the differences. I think the NY model is just 10 round mags, while CA and MA include different things.
I was trying to find more examples of this, but not yet. The p320 line seems to only have other models for NY/NJ it’s not on California approved list.
Barrera has different model numbers for m9a1 harder to tell, one ends in m9a1CA so I assume that’s California. The other ends in just m9a1 but listed at 10 rounds. The third ends in m9a1M but 15 rounds.
Didn’t see anything like this on Glock website. But yeah right now it makes buying more interesting lol
Old_Me
SAINT
nearly all car makers have been doing the same for emissions. i live in RI, but my car meets CA emissions, and as a result, the warranty for those emissions parts is longer, than say if they were non CA compliant.
sooner or later the states adopt CA requirements.