DOJ official dismissed after she refused to reinstate gun rights for Trump ally Mel Gibson: Report
- Thread starter Old_Me
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It's one thing to fire a judge for not doing a favor for the President. Should Gibson get pardoned, how many other people convicted of the same offense are going to start screaming? Another 'fine line' for shall not be infringed or an example of judicial beat down by 'weaponized politics'?
The pardon and or expungements are a valid process just how it is.
The bigger issue is why does one employee in DOJ hold decision making power if that.
That said it would be easier that the justice system was revamped and once you serve your time and court ordered supervision if your trusted to live in society you should get all your rights restored. You hurt on purpose any human with a crime (murder/rape/serious bodily damage enough they are paralyzed effected) you don’t get the luxury of getting released
You do 3 crimes and go to prison you obviously haven’t learned you don’t get out again!
bc22wm
Professional
1st, I'll bet there more going on than we are told in this story.
2nd, How about "DOJ employee fired for not doing what she was told". The DOJ is part of the executive branch and who is head of the executive branch? Hummm
oh the President, no matter who it is. Yes the AG has some leeway because he/she is confirmed by congress. Everyone else is and employee! Do what you're told or find another job.
Lastly, "despite his 2011 MISDEMEANOR conviction for domestic violence." (bold added of emphasis). Misdemeanor conviction. Not downplaying domestic violence but this added/enhanced punishment for certain types of crimes, by/to certain people/in special circumstances is NOT in line with our founding principles. IE. hate crime laws, auto death sentence for killing a police officer, losing your 2A for a misdemeanor, etc.
2nd, How about "DOJ employee fired for not doing what she was told". The DOJ is part of the executive branch and who is head of the executive branch? Hummm
oh the President, no matter who it is. Yes the AG has some leeway because he/she is confirmed by congress. Everyone else is and employee! Do what you're told or find another job.Lastly, "despite his 2011 MISDEMEANOR conviction for domestic violence." (bold added of emphasis). Misdemeanor conviction. Not downplaying domestic violence but this added/enhanced punishment for certain types of crimes, by/to certain people/in special circumstances is NOT in line with our founding principles. IE. hate crime laws, auto death sentence for killing a police officer, losing your 2A for a misdemeanor, etc.
bc22wm
Professional
Cedric
Custom
On top of it being a misdemeanor, in Texas (don't know about CA) it casts a wide net for domestic violence. It covers actual physical contact but also verbal abuse. I don't know what Mel actually did, but I've experienced verbal abuse as determined by today's standards many times. E.g., my Dad saying, "go do what you are told or I'll whip your ***." So, I guess today he would lose his gun rights?1st, I'll bet there more going on than we are told in this story.
2nd, How about "DOJ employee fired for not doing what she was told". The DOJ is part of the executive branch and who is head of the executive branch? Hummm
Lastly, "despite his 2011 MISDEMEANOR conviction for domestic violence." (bold added of emphasis). Misdemeanor conviction. Not downplaying domestic violence but this added/enhanced punishment for certain types of crimes, by/to certain people/in special circumstances is NOT in line with our founding principles. IE. hate crime laws, auto death sentence for killing a police officer, losing your 2A for a misdemeanor, etc.
And, as you said, perhaps her position was on the chopping block already.
bc22wm
Professional
And lets not forget after a whomp on the backside "shut up/toughen up or I'll give you something to cry about".
BassCliff
Professional
Hi,
Restoring gun rights to convicts is a tough call. Should laws be written to spell out the varied and sundry conditions for restoration? Should it be considered on a case-by-case basis? Either way, the quoted article was clearly biased in my mind.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Restoring gun rights to convicts is a tough call. Should laws be written to spell out the varied and sundry conditions for restoration? Should it be considered on a case-by-case basis? Either way, the quoted article was clearly biased in my mind.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Old_Me
SAINT
i think...case by case.....
To me there are a ton of “felonies” that are non violent. Like 2 DUi’s within a 5 year period in my state. While serious is that grounds for taking voting 2A and other rights away for life? (Talking just a DUI no accident where someone’s hurt etc)
Not to mention let’s use Trumps trial in NYC really is BS like that even worth labeling a “felonies” and restricting rights?
To me no if they are safe enough to not be held in jail they should have rights. If the crime is heinous or hurt people on purpose (like ment to kill them rape them WTC) the. No they can’t be trusted.
Accidental homicide say DUI your gonna do a lot of years the. You’re gonna get garnished for victim restitution ina. Perfect world!
bc22wm
Professional
One has served their time, paid their debt to society, they are full citizens with all rights and privileges. However, that means all time, all probation, all restitution. If they can't be trusted with an inanimate object in society, maybe they shouldn't lose in society.
Biggfoot44
Elite
My starting discussion points proposal :
Serve complete sentence , including any Parole or Probation.
Go 10 additional years with no additional convictions .
Presumptive Rights Restoration , unless Government has burden of proof to show otherwise .
Typical criminal dirtbags reoffend quickly . Most number crunchings show a crossover point at around 7 years clean, Felon's likelihood of Offending drops to level of general public . I rounded up from 7 -ish to 10 yrs .
Serve complete sentence , including any Parole or Probation.
Go 10 additional years with no additional convictions .
Presumptive Rights Restoration , unless Government has burden of proof to show otherwise .
Typical criminal dirtbags reoffend quickly . Most number crunchings show a crossover point at around 7 years clean, Felon's likelihood of Offending drops to level of general public . I rounded up from 7 -ish to 10 yrs .
MN.Militia
Custom
1. I say 'consider the source'. The Independent is a leftist UK rag; and the article as written is on MSN, another MSM dumpster. They cherry pick the parts they like to push & and spin it counterclockwise. You betcha they're not telling the whole story! Additionally, the pardon attorney went squealing to another MSM communist rag, the New York1st, I'll bet there more going on than we are told in this story.
2nd, How about "DOJ employee fired for not doing what she was told". The DOJ is part of the executive branch and who is head of the executive branch? Hummm
Lastly, "despite his 2011 MISDEMEANOR conviction for domestic violence." (bold added of emphasis). Misdemeanor conviction. Not downplaying domestic violence but this added/enhanced punishment for certain types of crimes, by/to certain people/in special circumstances is NOT in line with our founding principles. IE. hate crime laws, auto death sentence for killing a police officer, losing your 2A for a misdemeanor, etc.
2. Trump tells Bondi to go hard pro-2A. She passes the order on down to Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. He turns to Oyer, and boom. I'll betcha this swamp rat, Elizabeth G. Oyer, is a commiecrat. I believe she has connections to Everytown based on her choice of words regarding Gibson's misdemeanor DV case. This is a crown jewel of gun control - to expand the number and kinds of prohibited persons until eventually all civilians would be disarmed. Which leads to point 3; If Gibson is pardoned, the Lautenberg Amendment regarding misdemeanor DV prohibited persons could potentially be in legal jeopardy, and would open the door to court challenges against this part of federal gun law, a serious infringement!
Lo-Profile
Elite
Anyone who has served their court ordered penalty in good standing should have every one of their Constitutional Rights restored.
bc22wm
Professional
Just To Be Argumentative
10 years, that's what probation is for and I'm not a fan of giving some bureaucrat more final say than they already have. Remember 90+% of all gov. employees live to say NO. It gives them a sense of empowerment, authority, and builds their ego.
Biggfoot44
Elite
Just To Be Argumentative
10 years, that's what probation is for and I'm not a fan of giving some bureaucrat more final say than they already have. Remember 90+% of all gov. employees live to say NO. It gives them a sense of empowerment, authority, and builds their ego.
That's why the burden of proof was flipped in my example . You would be presumed to have Rights restored .
Sure , the time period can be debated . But modern Era Probation or Parole caseload are so overwhelmed, minimal to no actual supervision actually takes place . My position is for a certain passage of time on their own in society without re offending .
The overwhelming percentage of " former " Felons are recidivist dirtbags , and are back in the system within a year .
Even just 2 years would be enough to week out * most * recidivist dirtbags . But my goal is to seek a probability of doing More violent felonies no greater than general public .
Bassbob
Emissary
And the details of said misdemeanor matter. You could get in a fight with your brother and that is called domestic violence.
Biggfoot44
Elite
Nope !
The cliché rule of thumb is Misdemeanor = Up to 1 yr
Felony = More than 1 yr
But some states have whacky statutes . I can point to state with bunches of 3 year , 5 year , and even 10 year Misdemeanors. Or another state that has Felonies with as little as 30 day .
For these purposes, ATF has interpretations.
A named Misdemeanor with * Possible Penalty of over 2 years is * Prohibiting Offense * , regardless of actual sentence.
A named Felony with * Possible Penalty of less than 1 year * is Not Prohibiting ( unless the specific criminal action itself is Prohibiting, like DV .)