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Echelon - Release of slide lock when loading magazine

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A feature Echelon owners routinely praise is the ability to slam a loaded magazine and have it automatically release the slide lock and load the chamber. After one year I’m experiencing situations where the slide doesn’t release automatically. I maintain it regularly by keeping it clean and oiled. Wondering if anyone else has experienced the same issue and knows why.
 

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KBnMN said:
A feature Echelon owners routinely praise is the ability to slam a loaded magazine and have it automatically release the slide lock and load the chamber. After one year I’m experiencing situations where the slide doesn’t release automatically. I maintain it regularly by keeping it clean and oiled. Wondering if anyone else has experienced the same issue and knows why.
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Honestly, I have never heard any pistol with the slide locked open and you insert a loaded magazine into it and the slide automatically closes itself, not supposed to do that till you either use the slide release or manipulate the slide itself.
 
If you strike the magazine butt plate sharply enough when seating the magazine with many pistols it will often cause the slide lock to release and chamber a round. There is nothing automatic about it. It is simple physics where the slide lock is dropping due to the upward motion of the pistol from the strike on the butt plate. It is not a reliable way of chambering a round and the pistol is not designed that way. You are better off learning to release the slide with an overhand manipulation of the slide.
 
HayesGreener said:
If you strike the magazine butt plate sharply enough when seating the magazine with many pistols it will often cause the slide lock to release and chamber a round. There is nothing automatic about it. It is simple physics where the slide lock is dropping due to the upward motion of the pistol from the strike on the butt plate. It is not a reliable way of chambering a round and the pistol is not designed that way. You are better off learning to release the slide with an overhand manipulation of the slide.
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I was always taught NOT to slam any magazine in a pistol, even most manuals will state this.
 
As primarily a 1911 / 2011 shooter SLAMMING a magazine home with the slide locked back is asking for the ejector to dislodge and malfunction if base plate is the least bit off from perfect contact with base of grip / magwell.

Magazine follower wear, Not sure what is releasing slide lock on magazine insertion but I would start there?
That is my best guess.
 
Hi,

I've seen some race guns set up this way. I don't know of any that come that way from the factory. But then, I don't get out much. ;)

On a rare occasion (once or twice), one of two of my guns have exhibited this behavior. But it's not normal, or repeatable, even when I tried. I chalked it up to "physics" as explained by Mr. @HayesGreener.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Best make dang sure that muzzle is pointed down range when you slam in the magazine with a malfunctioning slide lock, never know what other malfunction may happen also, slam fire... Should be all times anyways, but I Have seen more than one person accidently change the orientation of thier muzzle when concentrating on rapidly putting in a magazine.
 
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KBnMN said:
A feature Echelon owners routinely praise is the ability to slam a loaded magazine and have it automatically release the slide lock and load the chamber. After one year I’m experiencing situations where the slide doesn’t release automatically. I maintain it regularly by keeping it clean and oiled. Wondering if anyone else has experienced the same issue and knows why.
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I have had it happen over the years. Goldcup, other assorted 1911's, S&W 4006, M&P 40, TT33 don't recall it ever happening with M&P 9, Glock or any gun with a heal mag release. Then in fairness I'm a bit ham fisted and work guns like I mean it, not abusive but I don't treat them like they are made of Waterford crystal either. JMHO, I wouldn't count on a slam load. It would be mighty embarrassing (or worse) to mag change, back on target only to find yourself looking down the slide that's locked back. Ingrain in yourself to hit that slide release or slingshot until it is as natural as breathing. Time to rat myself out. Sometimes I find that after shooting bottom feeders a lot, that when I draw my 638 I "swipe the safety off" o_O
Muscle memory!
 
bc22wm said:
I have had it happen over the years. Goldcup, other assorted 1911's, S&W 4006, M&P 40, TT33 don't recall it ever happening with M&P 9, Glock or any gun with a heal mag release. Then in fairness I'm a bit ham fisted and work guns like I mean it, not abusive but I don't treat them like they are made of Waterford crystal either. JMHO, I wouldn't count on a slam load. It would be mighty embarrassing (or worse) to mag change, back on target only to find yourself looking down the slide that's locked back. Ingrain in yourself to hit that slide release or slingshot until it is as natural as breathing. Time to rat myself out. Sometimes I find that after shooting bottom feeders a lot, that when I draw my 638 I "swipe the safety off" o_O
Muscle memory!
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I’ve “swiped the safety” on Glocks.
 
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