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GM going all Electric by 2035

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Well, what happens during mass forest fires in CA when folks couldnt leave because cars wouldn't charge for them to leave.

I dont see farmers, construction workers and the like going for it needing torque in their engines.

good luck GM.

bad decision.

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General Motors to go all-electric by 2035

General Motors has pledge to have an all-electric lineup by 2035 and be carbon neutral across its operations by 2040.
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#1 - Will all these electric rigs charge up as fast as you can fill up a reg vehicle? Unless there's a huge breakthrough in tech no.

#2 - Will there be as many charging stations as gas stations nationwide anytime soon> No.

#3 - The enviros want to get rid of 90% of current electricity production sources, and therefore the mega watts of juice needed to meet current needs. With an increase in electicity needs where will all the electricity come from? It can't come from Solar & windmills (nothing against them since they have a place) so where will all this invisble energy sources come from?

#4 - For city/suburban folks going electric is a sound option to commute witj, but in rural US it's not, but hybrid tech is.

#5 - How much electric large farm equipment exists? None.
 
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Reading articles like this on electric cars makes me want to go out and get a Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat and burn gas........😬

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Don't electric motors generally put out a lot more torque than an internal combustion engine, and they have it right now, even starting at zero RPM? There are plenty of videos of Teslas stomping Hellcats on YouTube.

The slower charging issues are a real problem, as is the problem of using one in the north, where it gets (or used to get, we haven't had a real winter for a while) wicked cold for 4 months out of the year. That pesky cold does tend to drain a battery. I have no idea how it'd work for farm equipment but semis are starting to go that way so I don't see it being a problem with power.
 
New vehicles are getting far too complicated. My neighbor has a new pickup and it has 35 seperate computers in it in order for it to run.

There may be tests going on with EV tech but there's alot of effort going into using hydrogen for long-distance truck use. The hyrdogen is used to fuel, fuel cells that generate electiciyt for the motor(s). The problem there is what typr of on-vehicle storage is practical (lquid H or in a matrix that releases the gas for the fuel cell).

Plus there's the tech & energy needed to turn H2O into H for fuel use.

So there's no free lunch to what happens next.
 
Talyn said:
#1 - Will all these electric rigs charge up as fast as you can fill up a reg vehicle? Unless there's a huge breakthrough in tech no.

#2 - Will there be as many charging stations as gas stations nationwide anytime soon> No.

#3 - The enviros want to get rid of 90% of current electricity production sources, and therefore the mega watts of juice needed to meet current needs. With an increase in electicity needs where will all the electricity come from? It can't come from Solar & windmills (nothing against them since they have a place) so where will all this invisble energy sources come from?

#4 - For city/suburban folks going electric is a sound option to commute witj, but in rural US it's not, but hybrid tech is.

#5 - How much electric large farm equipment exists? None.
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Solar and wind are great but we will still need something like nuclear. I think the thing we're trying to get away from is fossil fuels. Finally getting usable fusion will be a big step. I read there is a chance to get a fusion reactor online by 2025 but who knows how that'll pan out. We've been working on fusion for a long time. That pesky "creating more heat than it consumes" thing and essentially controlling a star is an ongoing problem.
 
Talyn said:
New vehicles are getting far too comlicated. My neighbor has a new pickup and it has 35 seperate computers in it in order for it to run.

There may be tests going on with EV tech but there's alot of effort going into using hydrogen for long-distance truck use. The hyrdogen is used to fuel, fuel cells that generate electiciyt for the motor(s). The problem there is what typr of on-vehicle storage is practical (lquid H or in a matrix that releases the gas for the fuel cell).

Plus there's the tech & energy needed to turn H2O into H for fuel use.

So there's no free lunch to what happens next.
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Yeah, there's never going to be a perfect situation. There's always going to be a need to create power and we just aren't in a place where we can create it without some waste, and from my understanding of the laws of thermodynamics they do say we can't get more energy out of a system than we put into it. No creating energy, unfortunately, just converting it from one form to another, and the conversion will never be 100% efficient.
 
There's new nuclear (fission) tech that's been developed that's much better than the old tech still in use.

There's a couple reactors being completed down south using it, being the first plants since 3 mile Island era.

Nuclear is the only power source (high density power generation) that can power industrial plants, etc that needs large amounts of juice, vs low-density power soures, i.e. solar & windmills that can't but are useful for residential/office, etc use.

But the enviros hate any Nuclear (that's part of the 90% they want to get rid of ) so they must have some invidible source.
 
Iron Man's arc reactor is real! All we need is some palladium and we can power the world 100% clean forever :) Joking, of course.

Like you say, we'll probably always need something more potent than solar and wind (though solar's efficiency has grown leaps and bounds the last 10 years and I'm reading a new photovaultaic paint is supposed to increase the efficiency up to another 30%) to go along with renewables so we aren't getting away from power plants any time soon. Hopefully people stop thinking of all nuclear as though it's the same as the Chernobyl generation.
 
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Peglegjoe said:
You still need batteries to store the juice. Batteries are made of nasty stuff you can't just throw away, and it is generally strip-mined to begin with.

Because that's green....
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It's never going to be perfect. Better than now, though, is a good thing. Lithium and other battery material recycling is expensive but it can be done. Carbon in the atmosphere is just kinda there. Extracting anything from the ground is going to cause damage, whether it be petroleum or lithium, nickel, and cobalt.
 
benstt said:
It's never going to be perfect. Better than now, though, is a good thing. Lithium and other battery material recycling is expensive but it can be done. Carbon in the atmosphere is just kinda there. Extracting anything from the ground is going to cause damage, whether it be petroleum or lithium, nickel, and cobalt.
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So true that recycling will also need to improve and rest assured it will, as will the service life of the batteries will also improve.
 
benstt said:
Don't electric motors generally put out a lot more torque than an internal combustion engine, and they have it right now, even starting at zero RPM? There are plenty of videos of Teslas stomping Hellcats on YouTube.

The slower charging issues are a real problem, as is the problem of using one in the north, where it gets (or used to get, we haven't had a real winter for a while) wicked cold for 4 months out of the year. That pesky cold does tend to drain a battery. I have no idea how it'd work for farm equipment but semis are starting to go that way so I don't see it being a problem with power.
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For one, electric cars make no noise like a V-8, and two, Tesla’s are not true American muscle.
 
Talyn said:
#1 - Will all these electric rigs charge up as fast as you can fill up a reg vehicle? Unless there's a huge breakthrough in tech no.

#2 - Will there be as many charging stations as gas stations nationwide anytime soon> No.

#3 - The enviros want to get rid of 90% of current electricity production sources, and therefore the mega watts of juice needed to meet current needs. With an increase in electicity needs where will all the electricity come from? It can't come from Solar & windmills (nothing against them since they have a place) so where will all this invisble energy sources come from?

#4 - For city/suburban folks going electric is a sound option to commute witj, but in rural US it's not, but hybrid tech is.

#5 - How much electric large farm equipment exists? None.
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Recently batteries have made huge jumps in recharge time. By 2035 there is no question that you will be able to charge an electric car in the time it currently takes to fill your car.

FYI, not a fan of electric cars, automatic transmissions or more than two seats.
 
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