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Guns and Travel: Can I Take My Gun on a Road Trip?

Annihilator said:
Not in Indiana if I read this right


Sec. 3. (a) A person who is at least eighteen (18) years of age and is not otherwise prohibited from carrying or possessing a handgun under state or federal law is not required to obtain or possess a license or permit from the state to carry a handgun in Indiana. A resident of this state who wishes to carry a firearm in another state under a reciprocity agreement entered into by this state and another state may obtain a license to carry a handgun in Indiana under this chapter by applying
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I don't know what you're reading but this here says if you're 18 and not a prohibited person you can carry in Indiana. And it says if you are an Indiana resident and wish to carry in a state that has a reciprocity agreement with Indiana you MAY obtain a license. This clearly means you can get a permit in Indiana if you need to carry in a state that has a reciprocity agreement with Indiana. If that state is Ohio, W. VA, Kentucky, etc. you aren't going to need a permit since those states ARE permitless carry states. Basically brother with almost no exceptions, if it is a CC or PC state you can carry in it as long as you are 18 ( in a few cases 21) and aren't a federally prohibited person.
 
Annihilator said:
Bob, not going to argue on this, if your not a resident of the state, things are different even if the state is permitless….and your from a different state, went through this not long ago,
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We don't have to argue, but if you're going to make a statement like that brother the onus is kind of on you to show your work. I've been in a few of those states and a lot of states around me and to the west. Show me a permitless carry state that requires you be a resident. There are a couple, but that's it.
 
Annihilator said:
All I know is what was relayed to me on this subject, I’m not making blind statements on this, I’ll just ask to have my posts removed, personally I think permitless carry is dangerous, you or should I say all need some kind of training, nobody just wants Bubba down the street to carry a firearm with no training, but going to the dump and shooting rats, just me. All need some kind of training and how to handle there gun
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We can talk about that if you want. You have taken a CCW class I suppose. Do you think of that as training ? Surely not. Are you suggesting you think that your idea of what training is and a government mandate requiring it of me to exercise my god given rights is constitutional ? The same government you regularly bemoan here, you want mandating some sort of training and requiring US citizens to beg for permission to exercise their constitutional rights ? The 1st amendment has gotten way more people killed than the second. Do you suppose there should be some government mandated training to exercise that right as well ? The idea that YOU, think I am dangerous because I refuse to get a permission slip from the government is laughable, absurd and insulting.

As to the blind statement thing. You keep saying you had this conversation, but you never said with who. You telling me what some unknown person told you means absolutely nothing. All these states have their laws in public record. Since your comment about it this morning I have read all the ones that pertain to your state and those around you. So your response is "Some person I won't identify to you told me, so it must be true".

Whatever Anni, seems you're a little hard headed too. I have the law on my side and yes I have researched it because believe it or not I do travel outside my state and make sure not to run afoul of the law.

For anyone else reading this, if you are now confused let me clear it up for you. If a state with permitless carry excludes non residents from carrying IT HAS TO BE AND WILL BE CODIFIED IN THE LAW, WHICH IS READILY AVAILABLE ON THAT STATE'S WEBSITE. If the law doesn't specifically forbid it, it is ok to carry there assuming you meet the rest of the requirements OF THAT STATE'S LAW.
 
Annihilator said:
BTW, you brought the government into this, not me, plus I didn’t say CCW class was training,
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" I think permitless carry is dangerous, you or should I say all need some kind of training".


Then elaborate. Because this sentence right here can only mean 2 things. Government mandate for training or a belief that the joke of a class you take for CCW IS training.
 
My CCW class had virtually no "shooting" training...it was all about how your state-level permit is not likely allowed in most other states. Yes, we I shot 1 mag to prove I could hit a barn door...but it was not firearm training at all....
 
Jfal said:
My CCW class had virtually no "shooting" training...it was all about how your state-level permit is not likely allowed in most other states. Yes, we I shot 1 mag to prove I could hit a barn door...but it was not firearm training at all....
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My class did have one day of just shooting, safe draws, cleaning your gun and maintaining it, but it was taught by sheriffs deputies, 3 day class cause if the range time, most classes here just do like yours did.
 
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Annihilator said:
All you want to do is argue with me, and act like you know everything, training if I have to explain of what I meant was safe gun handling, how to draw your weapon without shooting yourself, know your gun, cleaning and such, your the one possessed on government stuff, and what I meant by dangerous is nobody wants Joe Blow across the street with no knowledge of guns period, going out and buying a gun and saying now I can carry, without knowing anything, this is what I meant by being dangerous, ok happy now, is it Bassbob approved
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No, I haven't once said I know anything. I know that this here statement you just made BY DEFINITION, involves government mandated training. I know very well what training is. And what it isn't. You flat out said permitless carry is dangerous and people should have to be trained. Who the hell do you think is going to enforce that and decide on the criteria ?

Furthermore, who is it in this thread that brought up training and permitless carry in the first place again ? Oh yeah, it was you. Granted, it was a deflection from the fact that you were talking about laws regarding permitless carry in the states around you, which you clearly are uninformed ( or should I say misinformed by some mystery man) about. Nevertheless, you brought it up.

You bring stuff up and state your opinions about things and when someone disagrees with you or points out that you're wrong you get your feelings hurt or something and start talking about deleting posts or not posting anymore or some such crap. Cut it out man. It's the internet. We aren't all going to agree. I really only get agitated when someone strays from opinion to facts and gets it wrong. Even then only when they double down. I pointed out that you are not correct when you are berating your brother in law for thinking he can carry in neighboring permitless carry states and that he is right, and you whip out the old " Oh yeah, well I think permitless carry is dangerous" blah, blah, blah. Your opinion on that, besides being diametrically opposed to the spirit of the 2A and the thoughts and ideas of the framers of the constitution, have absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about.


I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings Anni, but I'm not going to carry on tip toeing around you because you get upset so easily. You were wrong and I proved it. There's really nothing left to argue about.
 
I have no feelings to get hurt, maybe I used the wrong word by saying training, but I guess you didn’t read what I actually meant by it, and for tip toeing around me, yea right, you didn’t prove anything to me, but that’s fine, doesn’t matter. BTW where did you think I got upset, I replied to you normally, no name calling or anything except the last where I said Bassbob approved
 
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Annihilator said:
I have no feelings to get hurt, maybe I used the wrong word by saying training, but I guess you didn’t read what I actually meant by it, and for tip toeing around me, yea right, you didn’t prove anything to me, but that’s fine, doesn’t matter.
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That's because you believe something even when you are shown facts that prove it to be wrong. I put links up. Other people put links up. They are written in plain English. Rather than believe the text of the law straight from the state webpage you choose to believe someone who for some reason you refuse to name. I am willing to be proven wrong, so as they say in Missouri, Show me.

I won't respond to the tip toeing comment and it's possible it was wrong of me to bring it up as it served no purpose other than causing animosity. I formally withdraw that statement.
 
Bassbob said:
That's because you believe something even when you are shown facts that prove it to be wrong. I put links up. Other people put links up. They are written in plain English. Rather than believe the text of the law straight from the state webpage you choose to believe someone who for some reason you refuse to name. I am willing to be proven wrong, so as they say in Missouri, Show me.

I won't respond to the tip toeing comment and it's possible it was wrong of me to bring it up as it served no purpose other than causing animosity. I formally withdraw that statement.
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Ok, made a couple phone calls and I guess I was wrong on permitless carry, I got it mixed up with open carry, different rules and regulations for that in Ohio. I’m not afraid to admit when I am wrong, and I guess I was wrong.
 
FYI, there is no training requirement in GA to get a concealed carry permit. They basically just take your fingerprints, run a BGC on you and if you pass, you get your permit. No reason needed, no training required. We also just got Constitutional Carry. But like I said earlier, I still keep my carry permit active because it serves as the BGC when buying a firearm. I don’t have to wait for any BGC to come through. Just fill out the 4473, they make a copy of my carry permit and my DL and I walk out with my purchase.
 
Keystone19250 said:
If either of those scenarios don’t appeal to you then you can adjust your travel plans to avoid particular states however that could add hours or days in travel time.
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Some states you are better off adding the hours to detour and avoid, avoid, avoid. NY, NJ, IL, CA, immediately comes to mind. Even in the right your in the wrong. If you get stopped, your likely going to end up spending a bunch of time and money to prove your legal and may still lose your weapons to confiscation. Horror stories with those exact consequences littered throughout the internet.
 
BreakingWind said:
Some states you are better off adding the hours to detour and avoid, avoid, avoid. NY, NJ, IL, CA, immediately comes to mind. Even in the right your in the wrong. If you get stopped, your likely going to end up spending a bunch of time and money to prove your legal and may still lose your weapons to confiscation. Horror stories with those exact consequences littered throughout the internet.
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I will drive around Illinois altogether to go to Indiana. From St. Louis.
 
BreakingWind said:
A Nebraska citizen had a real horror story traveling with guns. He and a group of friends own a hunting lodge in Maine. They hunt there a couple of times a year and have done so for years. They do not store their guns there as it is unoccupied for months at a time. They fly with their guns. Coming back from a trip with 2 rifles and 3 handguns the plane broke and they diverted to JFK in NY. After a number of hours delay it was determined that they couldn't fix the plane and setup a new flight. They instructed the passengers to go to to the baggage carousel, pick up their bags and recheck them. He picked up his two bags, one emblazoned with the orange firearm tape and was immediately arrested by the NY Police who were waiting in baggage for someone to claim that bag. They immediately jailed him for carrying concealed weapons. After hours of negotiations between the Nebraska AG and the NY AG they released him from jail after paying a huge bail and was allowed to go back to Nebraska to await a court date. Through continued negotiations the NY AG stated that they were going to make an example of this guy which makes no sense because NY was supposed to be a flyover state, he had no intention of stopping in NY and they were instructed by the airlines to pickup and recheck bags. It was not an intentional act, he was a victim of circumstance. Our AG finally talked some sense into the NY AG and months later they dropped the charges. After the charges were dropped he petitioned NY State for the return of his guns. After stalling for 6 months, NY informed him that they had destroyed his $5,000 worth of weapons and that he had no redress.
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Find this interesting. I fly all over with assorted weapons and never have had an issue. Actually like the fact that when I pick them up I do so so from security room and am gone. No waiting on that damn carousel.
 
Bassbob said:
I will drive around Illinois altogether to go to Indiana. From St. Louis.
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When my mom was alive I spent months in ILL and started out concerned with ability to carry. Finally was able to speak with a retired commander from District 13 (DuQuoin) and had my rights from Texas explained to me while in Ill. found them to be very quirky but was able to navigate the state restrictions. For you crossing a 1 mile wide river it must feel like going from freedom to oppression.
 
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