Recusant
Hellcat
An Official Journal Of The NRA | Hodgdon Closes GOEX Blackpowder Plant
Effective immediately, Hodgdon announced the closure of the GOEX blackpowder manufacturing facility in Camp Minden, La.
Hodgdon Closes GOEX Blackpowder Plant
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Not quite all smelting plants are gone in US lead smelting. The primary plants that were closed by EPA because of lead toxins. A few secondary smelting plants still exist in the US. Secondary smelting plants basically recycle lead based products like vehicle batteries, old plumbing parts, x-ray shielding and wire sheathing.
An older 2013 article explains some of it.
EPA Shutting Down Last-standing U.S. Primary Lead Smelter
EPA regulations are shutting down the last lead smelting plant in the United States. Expect the costs of batteries, ammunition, and hundreds of other lead-dependent products to climb. By William F. Jasper
thenewamerican.com
Bassbob
Emissary
The company in this article is about 10 miles from here. We all grew up with Doe Run. Missouri is the king for lead and subsequently the king for the lead remediation superfund. I live on the Big River which through the years caught a lot of the tailings from lead smelters. It's pretty clean these days, but the gubmint still gives lots of us free 5 gallon bottled water. My well is deep AF and consistently tests fine too.Not quite all smelting plants are gone in US lead smelting. The primary plants that were closed by EPA because of lead toxins. A few secondary smelting plants still exist in the US. Secondary smelting plants basically recycle lead based products like vehicle batteries, old plumbing parts, x-ray shielding and wire sheathing.
An older 2013 article explains some of it.
EPA Shutting Down Last-standing U.S. Primary Lead Smelter
EPA regulations are shutting down the last lead smelting plant in the United States. Expect the costs of batteries, ammunition, and hundreds of other lead-dependent products to climb. By William F. Jasper
Anyway, this smelter, Doe Run, existed in that location for a very long time before the city of Herky started putting houses around it. Those people eventually filed lawsuits and that was the beginning of the end for Doe Run. It's like the old Pevely Raceway. One of the oldest dirt tracks around. Nowadays there are crap tons of big subdivisions all around it and the people continually whine about the noise on Friday and Saturday nights. They bought overpriced houses built by people who build crappy houses, close to a racetrack and then complain about the noise.
I know a bit about lead remediation too. As a contractor, under the Obama administration I had to become lead abatement certified. I know I have recounted the details here, but the bottom line is it virtually eliminated most of my replacement window jobs. The cost to remediate is high, but not as high as the cost to test ( mandatory) all 4 sides of every window in any house built before 1978. This cost had to be passed on to customers. The kicker is at the end of the day, the special bags with all the debris ( literally just regular thick plastic bags with " Danger Lead" printed on them) were to be just chucked in the dump along with any other trash. It was a money grab. They had to pay for Obamacare somehow.
The whole lead poisoning scare tactics hoopla is BS if you ask me.
The company in this article is about 10 miles from here. We all grew up with Doe Run. Missouri is the king for lead and subsequently the king for the lead remediation superfund. I live on the Big River which through the years caught a lot of the tailings from lead smelters. It's pretty clean these days, but the gubmint still gives lots of us free 5 gallon bottled water. My well is deep AF and consistently tests fine too.
Anyway, this smelter, Doe Run, existed in that location for a very long time before the city of Herky started putting houses around it. Those people eventually filed lawsuits and that was the beginning of the end for Doe Run. It's like the old Pevely Raceway. One of the oldest dirt tracks around. Nowadays there are crap tons of big subdivisions all around it and the people continually whine about the noise on Friday and Saturday nights. They bought overpriced houses built by people who build crappy houses, close to a racetrack and then complain about the noise.
I know a bit about lead remediation too. As a contractor, under the Obama administration I had to become lead abatement certified. I know I have recounted the details here, but the bottom line is it virtually eliminated most of my replacement window jobs. The cost to remediate is high, but not as high as the cost to test ( mandatory) all 4 sides of every window in any house built before 1978. This cost had to be passed on to customers. The kicker is at the end of the day, the special bags with all the debris ( literally just regular thick plastic bags with " Danger Lead" printed on them) were to be just chucked in the dump along with any other trash. It was a money grab. They had to pay for Obamacare somehow.
The whole lead poisoning scare tactics hoopla is BS if you ask me.
That's surprising on the company being nearby. Just like many airports and drive in theaters built clear out in the boonies and nothing else around when new. Then, the newer subdivisions are built and complaints come. The preexisting building need better buffers and zoning to protect them. Basically, city or towns shouldn't have allowed subdivisions to be built in an established commercial zone or area? PPP - PissPoorPlanning? Chicken or the egg came 1st type thing.
Agreed, much of the remediation is overblown hoopla. - Government involved anything is generally an ignorant overpriced milking scheme. Getting to that? How to show respect for something isn't just about people for me, it also should apply to other things is well. Knowing as much as possible before tackling any job usually helps more than less.
Many things are in how something is done or not done on abatement and remediation. Like scoring and snapping techniques instead of drilling or cutting asbestos siding or tile for example? The dust and fiber is the enemy. About same with lead, usually ingestion and inhalation is the culprit.
Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, stupid question here since I haven’t shot or did anything with black powder. Since this is closing, where would you get the powder for these types of guns?
There's a few mfg's left:
USA Black Powder Suppliers
(Swiss, Schuetzen, Goex, Olde Eynsford, KIK, Elephant, Wano, Diamondback)
Buffalo Arms carries some different powders / propellants:
Black Powder
Black Powder, Goex black powder, Swiss black powder and Schuetzen black powder. Check out our delivered prices for black powder. Our delivered price is less then our competitors even to the east coast, check it out and compare. Shop our selection of Black Powder for sale here at Buffalo Arms...
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And, can also make your own black powder from scratch, I have in the past. Isn't difficult, just slightly tedious.
conax
Master Class
Black powder is popular in Europe. I never bought any, but supposedly there's a brand over there that was 'the BEST' so it can be imported, unless the crazed gov't finds a good excuse to ban it. I'm sure they will.
If I was into it now I'd get a few pounds and just put them away.
A quick search found this site:
Titanobel
Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, thanks guys, I have a friend that uses a muzzle loader for deer season and I think he uses Pyodox Pellets, think that’s what there called
Recusant
Hellcat
Annihilator many muzzle loaders now use black powder substitutes.
thebiggamehuntingblog.com
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Annihilator
Emissary
Ok, thanks, I don’t know anything about muzzle loaders as you can see….lolAnnihilator many muzzle loaders now use black powder substitutes.
These Are The Best Brands Of Black Powder and Black Powder Substitutes You Should Be Using In Your Muzzleloader
Looking for information on what kind of black powder or black powder substitute to use in your muzzleloader? The best one is