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How Does Your State Rank in Gun Control.

I read the list, then took a look around that site, and found it is published by Gabriell Giffords. Her husband was just elected in Arizona. Here's a random article from the site:

giffords.org

How “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” Are Threatening Lifesaving Gun Laws

2018 was a year of remarkable progress for the the gun safety movement, and that progress has continued into 2019. But now sheriffs in a handful of
giffords.org giffords.org
 
ScottJ said:
I read the list, then took a look around that site, and found it is published by Gabriell Giffords. Her husband was just elected in Arizona. Here's a random article from the site:

giffords.org

How “Second Amendment Sanctuaries” Are Threatening Lifesaving Gun Laws

2018 was a year of remarkable progress for the the gun safety movement, and that progress has continued into 2019. But now sheriffs in a handful of
giffords.org giffords.org
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Didn’t see that, thanks Scott for pointing that out, thanks keystone for the link.
 
I moved to Illinois from Montana five years ago to get married. I had no idea what a FOID card was until someone told me. Talk about ridiculous gun owner harassment! The election last week convinced us; it's time to get the hell out of Illinois. Besides gun owner harassment, the taxes in Illinois (property, sales, gas and income) are off the scales crazy! Come Spring, we're selling out and moving to Missouri, a gun friendly state. Bassbob, if Gabby gives Missouri an F-, that's an automatic A+ for me!
 
I'd go back to Montana, but too damn many Californians are moving there, specifically Missoula, Kalispell and Bozeman. They're using their California money driving property values there through the roof. Now you can't buy a home in Bozeman under $300k. I have two sons there that live about 30 miles from Bozeman. We don't call it by that name anymore, we call it Bozangeles.
 
singularity said:
I'd go back to Montana, but too damn many Californians are moving there, specifically Missoula, Kalispell and Bozeman. They're using their California money driving property values there through the roof. Now you can't buy a home in Bozeman under $300k. I have two sons there that live about 30 miles from Bozeman. We don't call it by that name anymore, we call it Bozangeles.
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I live in the Last Best Place & I know all that. Yes, lots of folks are moving here & driving up prices. That's happening in a lot of other places.

But with this election there were concerns that the newbies would turn the state blue but MT Repubs buried the Dems in the Fed rep & State govt. elections (except for some minor county postions) so at least the newbies haven't turned MT due to the recent influx. And like I said MT just strengthened the CCW gun rights.

So, all that being said MT is still the Last Best Place.
 
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Talyn said:
I live in the Last Best Place & I know all that. Yes lots of folks are moving here & driving up prices.

But with this election there were concerns that the newbies would turn the start blue but MT Repubs buried the Dems in the Fed rep & State govt. elections (except for some minor county postions) so at least the newbies haven't turned MT due to the recent influx. And like I said MT just strengthened the CCW gun rights.

So all that being said MT is still the Last Best Place.
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I lived about ten miles south of Alberton on Petty Creek Road. We had a character that moved there from San Diego that built a huge (like around 4,000 sq. ft.), million dollar plus, log mansion. I saw this guy re-route a creek that went underground (likely supplying water to others) so he could have it for his own personal use. After this character built, people on Petty Creek were putting up their homes for 3 to 4 times their old value.

Gotta say, I was worried when I saw the initial MT voting numbers, but then I saw the numbers go red, as in big time. You are spot on right. MT is The Last Best Place! If I wanted to shoot any of my weapons, all I had to do was just step outside my door. No gun ranges needed. Gotta love 406!
 
singularity said:
I lived about ten miles south of Alberton on Petty Creek Road. We had a character that moved there from San Diego that built a huge (like around 4,000 sq. ft.), million dollar plus, log mansion. I saw this guy re-route a creek that went underground (likely supplying water to others) so he could have it for his own personal use. After this character built, people on Petty Creek were putting up their homes for 3 to 4 times their old value.

Gotta say, I was worried when I saw the initial MT voting numbers, but then I saw the numbers go red, as in big time. You are spot on right. MT is The Last Best Place! If I wanted to shoot any of my weapons, all I had to do was just step outside my door. No gun ranges needed. Gotta love 406!
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His neighbors & state should have taken him to court in violation of state water law, as well as state & federal stream protection laws.
 
Talyn said:
His neighbors & state should have taken him to court in violation of state water law, as well as state & federal stream protection laws.
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He was one a a few re-routing water. I had three neighbors further South of me whose wells inexplicably went dry. One neighbor had to resort to siphoning water off an above ground spring. Water rights in MT have been an issue for the last 150 years. The people in that area tend to like to settle their own issues and keep the government out of things. We had enough problems just being in Missoula County with the out of state college kids voting their "green" laws and thinking we'd pay attention to their demands. All the residents on Petty Creek Road signed a petition to secede from Missoula County and join Mineral County. Yeah, like Missoula was going to let that happen!
 
I live in the nothern Bitterroot so I'm very familiar with "local" things, Missoula happenings, and also MT water law.

Regardless of settling things on their own it doesn't sound like it didn't work out well for the neighbors. If folks in that situation decided to not involve the state (Missoula Co. has no say in state water law) and then got steamrolled then that's their fault. There's a time & place for govt interaction and that was one of them.
 
New Jersey 🤮

These sorts of rankings infuriate me because they appeal to people with limited ability to analyze data who take these facts in a vacuum and use them to advocate for further restrictions. They fail to account for socioeconomic issues in states that contribute to crime. For example, NJ and CT are some of the wealthiest states with lead to lower crime rates overall. They also fail to isolate cultural preferences on firearms ownership from gun control policy (ie, NJ, CT). They don't explain outliers like New Hampshire with an "F" rating and a lower rate of gun death than "A-" states like Maryland and Illinois.

I firmly believe that there's a stronger correlation between gun violence and poverty than there is between gun violence and lax gun policy. Likely why you never see poverty rates and overall crime rates presented in tables here. Furthermore, county level data would likely show that an overwhelming amount of gun deaths occur in lower income urban areas than middle/upper income suburban or rural areas in states with higher rates of firearms deaths. Again, this kind of data would undermine the gun-control argument fetishized by privileged coastal elites.
 
My state gets a C+ and my county is a "firearms sanctuary". Several years ago, a city here tried to enact 5 anti-gun laws but were sued by a former state police officer backed by US Law Shield and the measures were overturned as unconstitutional.
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