Know Thy Enemy
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HayesGreener
Ronin
A conundrumThat’s on my list. But i don’t want Amazon to know i bought it.
The Night Rider
Professional
Used bookstore? Flea Bay?That’s on my list. But i don’t want Amazon to know i bought it
Bassbob
Emissary
Please let us know what you find.
I’m waiting for the movie.
Wirenut
Hellcat
Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals|Paperback
“This country's leading hell-raiser" (The Nation) shares his impassioned counsel to young radicals on how to effect constructive social change and know “the difference between being a realistic radical and being a rhetorical one.”First published in...
youngolddude
Professional
The implementation of these rules have caused massive disruption to our country. You know what I mean and I don't need to tell you. Fortunately, the pendulum is swinging back the other way because many people are fed up on a number of fronts. Vote early and often!
No need. Look out the window in any large D controlled city and you’ll see it in living colorI’m waiting for the movie.
HayesGreener
Ronin
First impression: Alinsky was a community organizer. He wrote this book in the late 60's in the context of the Vietnam War protests. He speaks of the Middle Class as families with annual incomes of 5-10k, to put it in context. He was very critical of those who wanted revolution through direct and often violent confrontation of the establishment, such as bank bombings, murdering police, rioting, etc. He believed those behaviors simply drove public opinion to the right. (I lived through those times and he is right on this point, I went to the right due to the lawlessness of the 60's). In order to foment a revolution, he says there must first be a reformation within the system. A pillar of his theory was that if you can gather people around a common cause, like pollution, now you have an organization that can easily transition to a political force. (See the corrolation with today's global warming and the Green New Deal?) It is essentially a treatise on how to manipulate conditions to make revolution possible.
It is interesting reading in light of what has happened in the 50+ years since it was written. More thoughts to come.
It is interesting reading in light of what has happened in the 50+ years since it was written. More thoughts to come.
youngolddude
Professional
I have nothing good to say about the man who brought us Hope and Change. Raised by Communists, he adopted these principles and put them to work. Don't forget he weaponized letter agencies against conservatives and championed activism of all kinds. Back in the day, there weren't so many social justice warriors or activists for every fringe group out there.
rcurtner
Professional
Yeah our country is going crazy. Can't believe a nut case like harris is running for president. And even more scary she could win.
HayesGreener
Ronin
The more I read of Alinsky's writings, a clearer picture of communists disguised as progressives emerges. Many of the left's rallying points are purely designed to gain POWER, with no clear goals of what to do with it once they get it. It is why socialists so often fail when they gain power.
While there may be some real issues, in the context of radical movement BLM for example is not about Black Lives, it is about organizing people around an issue. Feminism, reproductive rights, LGBTQ, Global Warming, DEI, Green New Deal, etc. are all rallying cries used by radicals to organize diverse useful idiots. The power brokers pushing these progressive issues could care less about abortion rights or the environment or women's issues or any of the myriad issues they espouse. But once you have organizations built around such issues you have a powerful weapon to use against the establishment.
They are about tearing down existing structure to get power, but that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way.
He talks about the Haves, Have Nots, and Haves But Want Mores (middle class) and the unequal, unfair distribution of wealth. Michelle Obama said it best when she said some will need to give up some of their piece of the pie so someone else can have more. (Says the multi-millionaire)
And there is the nut: Capitalism works so well because the middle class strives to better its circumstances.
Alinsky postulates that radicals can denigrate those in government with the guns, like the police, until they gain power and are the ones with the guns and then their views will change.
Those who follow Alinsky's and similar concepts for gaining power pose an existential threat to America. They know not to reveal their true goals. We have seen hints of where they are going when they suggest changing the Supreme Court, eliminating the 2nd Amendment, rewriting the Constitution (its just a piece of paper), controlling private enterprise and healthcare, etc. God forbid if they succeed and take control the reins of government.
While there may be some real issues, in the context of radical movement BLM for example is not about Black Lives, it is about organizing people around an issue. Feminism, reproductive rights, LGBTQ, Global Warming, DEI, Green New Deal, etc. are all rallying cries used by radicals to organize diverse useful idiots. The power brokers pushing these progressive issues could care less about abortion rights or the environment or women's issues or any of the myriad issues they espouse. But once you have organizations built around such issues you have a powerful weapon to use against the establishment.
They are about tearing down existing structure to get power, but that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way.
He talks about the Haves, Have Nots, and Haves But Want Mores (middle class) and the unequal, unfair distribution of wealth. Michelle Obama said it best when she said some will need to give up some of their piece of the pie so someone else can have more. (Says the multi-millionaire)
And there is the nut: Capitalism works so well because the middle class strives to better its circumstances.
Alinsky postulates that radicals can denigrate those in government with the guns, like the police, until they gain power and are the ones with the guns and then their views will change.
Those who follow Alinsky's and similar concepts for gaining power pose an existential threat to America. They know not to reveal their true goals. We have seen hints of where they are going when they suggest changing the Supreme Court, eliminating the 2nd Amendment, rewriting the Constitution (its just a piece of paper), controlling private enterprise and healthcare, etc. God forbid if they succeed and take control the reins of government.
A detailed summary HG, thanks. Couple of points - they have ALREADY taken power but just not total power. The 3 letters agencies, many of the courts, many of the other organs of control. You are correct in that total power is the goal, no ifs ands or buts about it. This is it, for the western societies and if good men do nothing? Well then, sunset of the civilization ensues.
Links of interest:
Turley: Robert Reich's Call To Arrest Musk Is "Siren's Call Of Every Authoritarian" | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
Berkeley Law School Dean: Constitution "Outdated", "Threatens The United States" | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
Remember, they constantly harp about saving "our democracy". First we are a constitutional republic, second the system doesn't work if it only serves one group. All power. Total. As we lose the war babies and many of the boomers, all that is left of those who knew the way things were is some Xers and a few older gen Y (rebranded millennials) as the young ones won't know the difference. The choice is up to all of us.