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USMC6094

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I have yet to try the precision side of this, but I've been shooting USPSA, IPSC, three gun, and CQB matches since 2002.

My local range did Three gun up until about about 2007, then went to CQB (two gun, straight pistol, or straight rifle), but it all translates to running your gear under stress, manufactured stress, but still stress.

When I was a city cop I used to shoot both monthly matches using my leather gear. You should have seen the looks I got running my duty gear, shooting my Glock 22 with full power loads. And some of the questions I got asked by race gun shooters.

I always shot about in the middle of the rankings, but no one else was running a level 3 retention holster either.

I still shoot them regularly, I'm going to shoot my first USPSA/IPSC this weekend with a Pistol Caliber Carbine.

Anyway, anyone else run and gun?
 
USMC6094 said:
I have yet to try the precision side of this, but I've been shooting USPSA, IPSC, three gun, and CQB matches since 2002.

My local range did Three gun up until about about 2007, then went to CQB (two gun, straight pistol, or straight rifle), but it all translates to running your gear under stress, manufactured stress, but still stress.

When I was a city cop I used to shoot both monthly matches using my leather gear. You should have seen the looks I got running my duty gear, shooting my Glock 22 with full power loads. And some of the questions I got asked by race gun shooters.

I always shot about in the middle of the rankings, but no one else was running a level 3 retention holster either.

I still shoot them regularly, I'm going to shoot my first USPSA/IPSC this weekend with a Pistol Caliber Carbine.

Anyway, anyone else run and gun?
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I wish. It’s not real popular around here. My range has some classes with some “known people” in those sort of disciplines but the classes are $$$.
 
I'm no where close to the league you're in, and I'm not even sure there is a range in my area that will allow someone to do all that. I am very interested in this kind of challenge but I have a long way to go before I could come close to this level. Good luck, and I'm interested in hearing how it goes.
 
USMC6094 said:
Anyway, anyone else run and gun?
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Yes. My range has an "open bay" that allows for pretty much whatever you want, within a 180º radius and without doing anything stupid. I also have public land where I can set up different target transitions, practice holster work on the move, etc. I know not everyone has access to these kinds of training opportunities, but I think it's very important to get out of the box, and train on the move and under (simulated) duress whenever possible.
 
belladonna said:
I'm no where close to the league you're in, and I'm not even sure there is a range in my area that will allow someone to do all that. I am very interested in this kind of challenge but I have a long way to go before I could come close to this level. Good luck, and I'm interested in hearing how it goes.
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I'm an amateur all the way, when I wore a badge, I was a total range rat, then between 2020, and 2023 I was more or less out due to medical problems. Namely getting both hips replaced, I'm still slowly re-integrating back into it, but I'm still doing it. So it could be worse.
 
Hammer67 said:
Yes. My range has an "open bay" that allows for pretty much whatever you want, within a 180º radius and without doing anything stupid. I also have public land where I can set up different target transitions, practice holster work on the move, etc. I know not everyone has access to these kinds of training opportunities, but I think it's very important to get out of the box, and train on the move and under (simulated) duress whenever possible.
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I totally agree..
 
Drills are nearly always done AFTER running until my lungs are about to explode. Mixing in snap caps is a neat trick. Everything is timed. When I take classes my instructor always makes us run, shoot while moving, at moving targets. I am no bullseye shooter, but I got combat accuracy with full adrenaline, in stupid ass positions and situations down pretty good.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
I compete with myself and @SimonRL .but he just gives me 💩 for shooting speed. He’s the tortoise in the hare race 😉😜
I’m out to outdo only one person
Myself

My take is combat has no rules… i’ll do what it takes to win.
Competitive courses have to many rules
My .02 cent
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Shooting is my zen thing. It is very meta for me. It’s what I do to unwind and relax. For however long I’m at the range I am not thinking about all the other stressors in my life. Even when I shoot poorly (by my standard) I enjoy myself because I always learn something. I am ridiculously competitive, I’ve been playing ice hockey all of my life and I’m always the guy who will dial up a situation to 11. Not with my shooting though. I started alone and found my groove in the cosmos and then I got a shooting buddy who helped me elevate my game, but not my blood pressure. Speed is good, speed is fun and I like to shoot fast, I just like putting 5 rounds in one hole more.

Wax on. Wax off.
 
Many years ago when the earth was still young and dinosaurs ruled the world I was in the Army. When we (FIST) would go to the range, even for qualification we did things different than most other units. First, we were wearing flak vests and LBE with steel pots. Then we had to do 20 reps of 4 count pushups before firing to simulate stress. I saw on TV a program that showed current training and they had little padded mats to lay on when firing prone so as to not hurt their elbows I guess? Things change.
 
I am more into doing some drills from Range Master and other courses I have picked up these days than competitions but am not against a CCW match here or there.

I use to shoot USPSA. A lot from the mid 1990’s through early 2000. Then sporadic to mid 2010’s. I shot IDPA sporadically

I pretty much always shot duty type guns and gear I ran a L frame S&W a lot (talk about looks even mid 1990’s) I ran an Sig 220 for a while. The. Decided to get a Para Ordinance P16 limited late 1999 in 40 to “compete” when there were only 2 divisions and 40 was major and held more rounds.

I did ok but felt I did worse trying to hose with my multi blasters. I ended up trading for a Glock 35 and shot it more like my low round guns but I’m doing that USPSA your never gonna win a lot of stages.

My range has some CCW matches and I still shoot that in duty style gear (still working) and I have ran 1911’s and revolvers when not running duty gear just because I don’t care about “winning” but amazingly with our scoring I still finished within the top few as accurately is more important than speed. Speed can help a little just not like USPSA and the target vitals are real world small not huge boxes and circles like others.

You want to shoot them go shoot and have fun. Just don’t get wrapped around the axel it is a game and people are gonna do gamesman stuff. It’s a great gear and some kind of stress test. You will learn what gear works and what doesn’t and how you roll when you’re trying to beat that buzzer.
 
My range has the 50-300 yd rifle range, 7-50yd pistol range, 2 day & night trap ranges (shooting clay targets under the lights is pretty cool), skeet, shotgun pattern range, indoor and outdoor archery ranges, indoor air rifle and then ... the open bay range where they setup different fun run around/timed shoots. So no, not competing shooting the professional series but still having some good practice and fun.

They'll setup false walls where you have to run through multiple doors hitting multiple bad guys while missing the hostages changing mags on the run. It's a blast. Each round could be 30 shots if you have no misses. I did wing a hostage one time, oops, I figured he'd live though but the bad guy wouldn't. 🤣

The next month might be steal targets in a certain pattern, bowling pins, .22 LR only, pc carbine shoots or whatever. All events on this range are timed. We're not professionals but it always gives you something different to shoot at other than a stationary bullseye target at a range. Everytime I see my times improve each round just learning a better way to do something in a hurry.
 
Good post, USMC

I competed and taught in multiple rifle, pistol, shotgun shooting disciplines over the years. Shooting on the clock is often mostly a foot race with shooting along the way, but you develop many skills that translate to solid performance in practical shooting applications.

What I do not approve of is shooting low power ammunition for the sake of gaining time if you are trying to build combat skills. If you are just there for the game, low power is fine. But, full power ammo is a very different experience. I prefer to shoot ammo of equivalent recoil, report, and muzzle flash to the ammo I would carry to face evil. A balance of Speed, power, and accuracy carry the day in combat. Going fast is of no use if you are not getting solid hits.

Age and physical agility are major factors. In my 20's and 30's I could draw and fire a double tap with a revolver in under half a second. At 73, it now takes me a little over a second. Nowadays at my age I am happy to hammer targets from where I am standing and leave the foot race to you youngsters.

I would like to add a safety caution. When trying to beat the clock, it is easy to outrun your abilities. If you are going to start working on high speed gun handling, first work on dry fire holster drills. A minimum of 200 repetitions of the draw before going live. Use video and/or a fellow shooter to watch for trigger finger and muzzle discipline. If you are not getting hits, slow down and build skills first, the speed will come with practice. There is no substitute for solid marksmanship. Ya'll be safe out there.
 
I enjoy accuracy drills, speed drills, failure drills, shoot n move, stress and all combined.
What is not my thing is going to a competition with 40 other people.
Not a big sports fan. Not a crowd fan.
Did skeet competitions long, long ago, and competition shooting is not relaxing fun time for me
 
Hi,

USMC6094 said:
I have yet to try the precision side of this, but I've been shooting USPSA, IPSC, three gun, and CQB matches since 2002.

My local range did Three gun up until about about 2007, then went to CQB (two gun, straight pistol, or straight rifle), but it all translates to running your gear under stress, manufactured stress, but still stress.

When I was a city cop I used to shoot both monthly matches using my leather gear. You should have seen the looks I got running my duty gear, shooting my Glock 22 with full power loads. And some of the questions I got asked by race gun shooters.

I always shot about in the middle of the rankings, but no one else was running a level 3 retention holster either.

I still shoot them regularly, I'm going to shoot my first USPSA/IPSC this weekend with a Pistol Caliber Carbine.

Anyway, anyone else run and gun?
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Thank you for your service, and thank you for sharing your fun. I hope you are recovering fully from your medical procedures and they haven't slowed you down much.

I take at least one training session a month that involves drills, movement, cognitive stresses, shoot/no-shoot situations, multiple targets, etc, but it's always at an indoor range where I'm a member. I used to do all this type of training at an outdoor range until I moved halfway across the country. I normally practice at the range once a week where, if you have taken the necessary prerequisite classes, we can draw from holster and rapid-fire if we want. But most of my individual practice is for slow-fire accuracy.

There is an outdoor range not too far from me that has a steel challenge a couple times a month. I'll probably have to wait until spring to join in now that the weather is getting colder. But I'm almost confident that I could take part, have fun, and not embarrass myself too badly now that this old noob has been working hard at it for a few years now. ;)

I've been eyeing a PCC lately, very tempting since I wouldn't have to buy a bunch of ammo in a different caliber. We'll see. Hey, be sure to share your adventures at your matches. I'm sure there are others who'd like to see your fun. :)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
@SimonRL and I use an instructor who does drills with stress built in.

Make you face away from the target , he’ll set it up different than last drill, and have you spin around on his command, draw and engage targets.
All while you are moving, advancing or both.
Some targets are innocents, so he will yell “engage Target - X” as you move around the range.
Cover- concealment involved.
Super Loud heavy metal / grunge music playing .
Failure drills built in. Mag changes built in.
And he taps you on the back of your legs periodically with a long broom handle for extra distraction

Quite a way to get you out of your comfort zone
 
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