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My Saint 9.6” BM model is consistently jamming using steel ammo

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I try to run Wolf 223 steel ammo through my Saint and it jammed at 3 rounds. I cleared it, oiled the chamber and cleaned it up. Shot 3 more rounds and the third casing got jammed so bad I had to drop the lower and use a hard plastic door trim remover to get the empty cartridge out. It was jammed in the chamber so tight I considered rodding it out. But that’s never a first choice.
Question: is this base model 9.6” barrel and chamber designed to cycle cheap steel cased Wolf type ammo. Any information on my situation would be very appreciated. Thanks.
 
Try not oiling the chamber, have it clean and dry.

Steel doesn’t expand as much as brass, and can get some blowback fouling in the chamber...the oil just makes it gum up.

If that doesn’t work, you may want to accept your rifle doesn’t like steel ammunition. Other people’s Saints may run it fine, but yours won’t...just the way it is, sometimes.
 
HansGruber said:
Try not oiling the chamber, have it clean and dry.

Steel doesn’t expand as much as brass, and can get some blowback fouling in the chamber...the oil just makes it gum up.

If that doesn’t work, you may want to accept your rifle doesn’t like steel ammunition. Other people’s Saints may run it fine, but yours won’t...just the way it is, sometimes.
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Thanks for taking time to respond. I’ll do what you suggested. I pray it works. If to doesn’t that will be fine. It cycles the brass flawlessly. I’ll clean and dry it well. BTW, will it cause any extractor problems? Thanks,-S
 
Superman said:
Thanks for taking time to respond. I’ll do what you suggested. I pray it works. If to doesn’t that will be fine. It cycles the brass flawlessly. I’ll clean and dry it well. BTW, will it cause any extractor problems? Thanks,-S
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If you shoot a lot of it? You may want to replace your extractor every couple thousand rounds.

But a few rounds? No worries.
 
Steel cases have a higher friction factor than brass, and .223/5.56 chambers are often tight enough to cause issues.
 
I have shot a mag ( 30 rds.) of steel cased ammo out of my AR and it ran fine. Dirty as hell and I have no plans to buy or shoot any more out of it. Life is too short to use steel cased ammo.
 
One thing to consider is that the particular batch of ammo your using could have issues in the firearm your using it in and it may not be an ammo type issue but a production issue.

I was using winchester steel 9mm consistently without an issue and then on a separate range trip using the same ammo just a different box and I was having FTF & FTE issues.
 
uspatriot1960 said:
Weird how some guns from the same manufacturer act differently. My 7.5” Saint Victor handles steel without a problem.
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My Marine brother has a 7.5 Victor and his cycles Wolf and TulAmmo without a problem. He is telling me that it is because it has a chrome lined chamber and a stainless steel barrel. Mine is the base 9.6” model with a CMV barrel.
I know he shoots a lot of steel case 5.56 and 223 when we do practice drills or just are out plinking. Your Victor is a very nice weapon.
I am going to follow HansGrubber’s advice and see how it does. I’ll share with group afterwards. Thanks for your response. -S
 
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