Need info on these long guns

[Jch]

Looking for any info on these old guns. Thanks

 

[Bassbob]

I'm no help. They look like old black powder shotguns to me.

 

[OkiePewPew]

I know nothing about them but that’s cool stuff right there.
Someone in here should be able to help you though.

 

[Recusant]

The picture on the right looks like a Springfield 1873 or later model in 45/70. There should be a date on the barrel near the rear sight. The first picture has what appears to be a Sharps carbine. I would need to see the other side of the rifle next to it to id it. The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans. Please post more pictures.

 

[BobM]

The picture on the right looks like a Springfield 1873 or later model in 45/70. There should be a date on the barrel near the rear sight. The first picture has what appears to be a Sharps carbine. I would need to see the other side of the rifle next to it to id it. The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans. Please post more pictures.

You may be onto something there?

"The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans." Along with short barrel? Old stagecoach gun possibly embellished by Indians?

Rifle scabbard, if it's fitted for the rifle may yield some other clues as well for horseback range work/hunting?
Maybe a pretty nice find?

1873 Springfield Trapdoor .45-70 Calvary Carbine (1882)

 

[BobM]

You may be onto something there?

"The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans." Along with short barrel? Old stagecoach gun possibly embellished by Indians?

Rifle scabbard, if it's fitted for the rifle may yield some other clues as well for horseback range work/hunting?
Maybe a pretty nice find?

1873 Springfield Trapdoor .45-70 Calvary Carbine (1882)

Trigger guards a bit different on this one. Stock forearm looks close.
For comparison if nothing else?

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[TidalWave]

Re: the right side gun on the first pic - the one with the tacks... could it be an old “ trade rifle “?
I am not sure when/where the idea developed that Indians used nice brass tacks to decorate their firearms but I’ve seen it on commemorative guns and it seems a bit of a staple of hollywood TV/movies. I dunno much about such things but I’m skeptical Indians ever did it themselves...
But maybe trade guns - often poorly made - came that way ??

 

[BobM]

Here's an interesting article with correct looking trigger guard on rifle.

Guns of History

Special vintage firearms with singular Western credentials are on the market — including a war-trophy rifle once belonging to Chief Black Kettle.

www.cowboysindians.com

An article about weapons of the Indian Wars.
Is a pretty interesting article and glimpse into history with some photo's of that time period:

Weapons of the Indian Wars

During the Great Sioux War of 1876-1877, Touch The Clouds took his band of Minneconjou Teton followers to the Spotted Tail Agency in northwestern

truewestmagazine.com

 

[Jch]

The picture on the right looks like a Springfield 1873 or later model in 45/70. There should be a date on the barrel near the rear sight. The first picture has what appears to be a Sharps carbine. I would need to see the other side of the rifle next to it to id it. The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans. Please post more pictures.

Thanks, I will post more photos later. All the info is helpful.

 

[Jch]

Here's an interesting article with correct looking trigger guard on rifle.

Guns of History

Special vintage firearms with singular Western credentials are on the market — including a war-trophy rifle once belonging to Chief Black Kettle.

www.cowboysindians.com

An article about weapons of the Indian Wars.
Is a pretty interesting article and glimpse into history with some photo's of that time period:

Weapons of the Indian Wars

During the Great Sioux War of 1876-1877, Touch The Clouds took his band of Minneconjou Teton followers to the Spotted Tail Agency in northwestern

truewestmagazine.com

Thanks for the info

 

[Jch]

Trigger guards a bit different on this one. Stock forearm looks close.
For comparison if nothing else?

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Thanks for th

The picture on the right looks like a Springfield 1873 or later model in 45/70. There should be a date on the barrel near the rear sight. The first picture has what appears to be a Sharps carbine. I would need to see the other side of the rifle next to it to id it. The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans. Please post more pictures.

 

[Jch]

The picture on the right looks like a Springfield 1873 or later model in 45/70. There should be a date on the barrel near the rear sight. The first picture has what appears to be a Sharps carbine. I would need to see the other side of the rifle next to it to id it. The tacks down the side may be the work of Native Americans. Please post more pictures.

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The short barrel is a shotgun ,the packing rod hasn't been cut down, it has a stamp with Springfield 1850. The cool part about the other rifle is it is a drop block but it is a black powder that loads from the rear,has to be a preload of some sort . No numbers ar all.

 

[Recusant]

It appears that you have acquired a really nice early Sharps rifle made before the Civil War. It pre-dates the brass cartridge even thought it was a breech loader. These can go for big bucks. It should have a date on it which would help pin down which model you have. Condition is everything so take care and leave it as is. At this point there are other sources on line, but I recommend investing in books. Learn everything you can and don't let anyone buy for less than what it's worth. Enjoy it. We are all green with envy!

http://www.nramuseum.org/the-guns/a...escription:(sharps)|make:(sharps)|eras:23&p=0

http://www.nramuseum.org/media/940654/sharps carbine.pdf

 

[Recusant]

Here are a couple of listings that are on guns international for comparison.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...arps-carbine-confederate.cfm?gun_id=101620193

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...2-caliber-falling-block-.cfm?gun_id=101631315