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New CAA AGADA PCC Question

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I'm a bit of an engineering geek, so the recently announced AGADA by CAA caught my attention. The company founder and designers have extensive experience with the Israeli Special Forces, and I don't doubt that the ergonomic changes to the PCC format are designed around the human body. My question is: Will the AGADA work well for people who have been shooting for decades?

I would think that this rifle would be better for a new shooter with no previous experience. I have a good deal of experience teaching defensive tactics and legal principles to police officers, but I have never been a firearms instructor. Is the AGADA something that experienced shooters could add to their rotation without messing up or having to overcome years of muscle memory?

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wmg1299 said:
I'm a bit of an engineering geek, so the recently announced AGADA by CAA caught my attention. The company founder and designers have extensive experience with the Israeli Special Forces, and I don't doubt that the ergonomic changes to the PCC format are designed around the human body. My question is: Will the AGADA work well for people who have been shooting for decades?

I would think that this rifle would be better for a new shooter with no previous experience. I have a good deal of experience teaching defensive tactics and legal principles to police officers, but I have never been a firearms instructor. Is the AGADA something that experienced shooters could add to their rotation without messing up or having to overcome years of muscle memory?

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CAA Announces the Radically New AGADA Pistol Caliber Carbine - The Truth About Guns

From CAA USA . . . CAA USA, designers and developers of the world-famous MCK/Micro Conversion Kit, have just released new details regarding their new pistol caliber carbine on the company’s YouTube Channel. LTC. (Ret.) Mikey Hartman, CEO of CAA USA, announces in the video that the PCC has been...
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I don’t see it being a boon or a detriment.

New platforms are new platforms; it requires training regardless.

That being said, I really don’t think it’s anything radical…just a re-imagined UZI.

And I’d rather have the UZI.
 
HansGruber said:
I don’t see it being a boon or a detriment.

New platforms are new platforms; it requires training regardless.

That being said, I really don’t think it’s anything radical…just a re-imagined UZI.

And I’d rather have the UZI.
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The AGADA's offset grip, downward trigger-pull, and unique foregrip were the specific design aspects I was referring to. All of my Uzi knowledge comes from 80's action movies and G.I. Joe toys. Did Uzi release stuff with obscure ergonomic features? I'm much more familiar with the name than their actual products.
 
wmg1299 said:
The AGADA's offset grip, downward trigger-pull, and unique foregrip were the specific design aspects I was referring to. All of my Uzi knowledge comes from 80's action movies and G.I. Joe toys. Did Uzi release stuff with obscure ergonomic features? I'm much more familiar with the name than their actual products.
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“Ergonomic” is a bit of a buzzword, lately…kinda whatever the sayer thinks it means.

The Uzi is incredibly easy to run, and learn to run; “hand finds hand” reload, heavy, low recoil…even on full auto (yes, I have run un-neutered Uzis—plural).

That being said? I’d still rather have an MP5 or its analogue.

I’m not a Luddite, but I also have been around the proverbial block more than a few times, and it takes a radical improvement to get my attention.
 
wmg1299 said:
I'm a bit of an engineering geek, so the recently announced AGADA by CAA caught my attention. The company founder and designers have extensive experience with the Israeli Special Forces, and I don't doubt that the ergonomic changes to the PCC format are designed around the human body. My question is: Will the AGADA work well for people who have been shooting for decades?

I would think that this rifle would be better for a new shooter with no previous experience. I have a good deal of experience teaching defensive tactics and legal principles to police officers, but I have never been a firearms instructor. Is the AGADA something that experienced shooters could add to their rotation without messing up or having to overcome years of muscle memory?

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

CAA Announces the Radically New AGADA Pistol Caliber Carbine - The Truth About Guns

From CAA USA . . . CAA USA, designers and developers of the world-famous MCK/Micro Conversion Kit, have just released new details regarding their new pistol caliber carbine on the company’s YouTube Channel. LTC. (Ret.) Mikey Hartman, CEO of CAA USA, announces in the video that the PCC has been...
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Meh…

Model T or BMW7, did you make it to the grocery store and back, or didn’t you ?
 
I guess it depends on whether or not one would want to spent $900 on a rifle with a 16" barrel that shoots a pistol round. The Keltec SUB2000 can be had in either a 9mm or .40cal and it sells for about $600, and it folds for easy storage. An AGADA in 10mm would probably draw a lot of attention and sell well.
 
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Recusant said:
I guess it depends on whether or not one would want to spent $900 on a rifle with a 16" barrel that shoots a pistol round. The Keltec SUB2000 can be had in either a 9mm or .40cal and it sells for about $600, and it folds for easy storage. An AGADA in 10mm would probably draw a lot of attention and sell well.
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I have a Sub200 in 9mm. It's a nifty concept, but it easily has the worst ergonomics of any rifle I have ever fired. I have to do some serious neck contortions to get a decent sight picture while forcing my cheek into the buffer tube. It's fun for a few mags, but it will never be one of my extended session guns.

The AGADA will reportedly be released in both 9mm and 10mm. If I got one, I'd probably go with the 9mm just because I have plenty of ammo. I don't own any 10mm guns and am just not prepared to add a new caliber to my collection.
 
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