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Talyn

Talyn

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Hi,

Pardon me for thinking out loud. ;)

We're all for smaller government, right? I've often wondered why there is an ATF bureau in light of the Second Amendment. If the LGS is running a NICS check on individuals when they purchase a firearm, why not run the same kind of "instant" checks when someone is selling? I say do away with the ATF and leave enforcement to another agency, the FBI, the CIA, the state police, etc. Sure, you might have to hire a few more officers but you'd be doing away with a huge, expensive, overreaching bureaucracy.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
BassCliff said:
Hi,

Pardon me for thinking out loud. ;)

We're all for smaller government, right? I've often wondered why there is an ATF bureau in light of the Second Amendment. If the LGS is running a NICS check on individuals when they purchase a firearm, why not run the same kind of "instant" checks when someone is selling? I say do away with the ATF and leave enforcement to another agency, the FBI, the CIA, the state police, etc. Sure, you might have to hire a few more officers but you'd be doing away with a huge, expensive, overreaching bureaucracy.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
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Ever sell a gun to a gun store ? They absolutely do run a NICS check on you.
 
Hi,

Bassbob said:
Ever sell a gun to a gun store ? They absolutely do run a NICS check on you.
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Nope, never sold a gun. I know you're right about the LGS/FFL running an NICS check on the individual. As I understand it, the NCIC runs a backgound check on the gun itself.

Would a normal responsible gun owner steal a firearm then try to sell it? I sincerely doubt it. Could a law-abiding citizen inadvertenly buy a stolen gun? I suppose so. Would he then try to sell that gun to the LGS/FFL? Maybe. If so, the gun would then be flagged and hopefully the authorities would enlist the law-abiding citizen's help in apprehending the theif.

Would a ne'er-do-well steal a gun then try to sell it to a LGS/FFL/pawn shop? Sure, maybe. The stupid ones would. Hopefully this system will catch those criminals. Would a ne'er-do-well commit a crime with a gun and then try to sell it to a LGS/FFL? Again, the stupid ones might but they usually just dump it, keep it, or give/sell it to one of their partners in crime.

Obviously none of this NICS or NCIC checking does any good for the real criminals who get their guns from underworld sources and buy/sell to each other. So is this new rule actually going to do any good or make any difference? I think all it does is make the Democrats feel good about themselves. Maybe it's a stupid, ineffective rule after all. Besides, it's just another example of an unelected bureaucracy bypassing Congress, creating "rules" that are enforced like laws.

This little mental exercise is making my brain hurt. I'll shut up now. Thanks for letting me think all over my keyboard again. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
BassCliff said:
Hi,

Pardon me for thinking out loud. ;)

We're all for smaller government, right? I've often wondered why there is an ATF bureau in light of the Second Amendment. If the LGS is running a NICS check on individuals when they purchase a firearm, why not run the same kind of "instant" checks when someone is selling? I say do away with the ATF and leave enforcement to another agency, the FBI, the CIA, the state police, etc. Sure, you might have to hire a few more officers but you'd be doing away with a huge, expensive, overreaching bureaucracy.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
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Having worked on our state police's IT systems for over 30 years, I can confidently say that the ATF is not part of this interim rule. Both the stolen firearms database and the National Instant Check System (NICS) are part of the FBI's data systems, not the ATF. The stolen firearms database is part of the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system. It contains records of stolen firearms and of firearms recovered by law enforcement where the firearm was never reported stolen. However, it does not have any records of firearms that have been used in commission of a crime unless that firearm was recovered at the scene and is in law enforcement possession.

Nonetheless, this will allow an FFL to avoid buying a stolen firearm. I would think FFLs would welcome a service like this.
 
Hi,

SineNomine565 said:
Having worked on our state police's IT systems for over 30 years, I can confidently say that the ATF is not part of this interim rule. Both the stolen firearms database and the National Instant Check System (NICS) are part of the FBI's data systems, not the ATF. The stolen firearms database is part of the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system. It contains records of stolen firearms and of firearms recovered by law enforcement where the firearm was never reported stolen. However, it does not have any records of firearms that have been used in commission of a crime unless that firearm was recovered at the scene and is in law enforcement possession.

Nonetheless, this will allow an FFL to avoid buying a stolen firearm. I would think FFLs would welcome a service like this.
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Thank you for that clarification! I appreciate it.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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