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powerboatr

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a month or so back i was swapping out ammo in the bersa 380. i always carry with one in the pipe, with this pistol becasue it has such great safeties , cant fire if magazine is out etc.
doing too many things at same time and did the dumbest thing ever , let my hands move faster than the brain
as i dropped slide i let my finger move to the trigger and somehow let the safety remain off...
pistol was pointed at the safe (less than 6 inches)and BOOM, went deaf,
laid pistol down and did the self check for blood and stuff of which there was none, just DEAFNESS :eek:
wife ran out because it was a VERY loud noise
searched for a bit to find the round
lucky for me it bounce up and off the hard back on the reload bench, tumbled into the cover sheet and avoided me or ??
 

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powerboatr said:
a month or so back i was swapping out ammo in the bersa 380. i always carry with one in the pipe, with this pistol becasue it has such great safeties , cant fire if magazine is out etc.
doing too many things at same time and did the dumbest thing ever , let my hands move faster than the brain
as i dropped slide i let my finger move to the trigger and somehow let the safety remain off...
pistol was pointed at the safe (less than 6 inches)and BOOM, went deaf,
laid pistol down and did the self check for blood and stuff of which there was none, just DEAFNESS :eek:
wife ran out because it was a VERY loud noise
searched for a bit to find the round
lucky for me it bounce up and off the hard back on the reload bench, tumbled into the cover sheet and avoided me or ??
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Wow man the pucker factor must have been at 100%

Glad to hear your ok, and I'm sure a lesson like this can definitely make you more self aware going forward.

There's plenty of people that will flame someone for an ND because they think it cannot happen to them but the truth is accidents happen every day in all aspects of life. When nobody gets seriously hurt from an accident a life lesson is usually learned.
 
we (wife and I) did a SAFETY stand down and risk management event later that day
wife was shook up pretty good, as in WTF just happened and why did it happen.

my 380 bersa i have carried for years with one in the chamber, it has a Great safety and decocker.

my XD carry, i dont have one in the chamber because in my leather holster, i fear its just to easy to have an event if you pull it out just a tad bit wrong or IN A FREAKING panic your hand over grabs the grip and somehow defeat the back strap safety. you can only train so much and your body tries to do dumb stuff in over pressure situations.

so the xds are always empty, vice the loaded magazine , where as the 380 is loaded, safetied and full magazine

so the best we came up with; was the brain pulled a foggy moment and forgot the bersa was the bersa, not the XD.
so now all carry are empty chamber.
unless situation changes around me, as in level of danger or concern.
i am sure unintended discharges happen more than we know
i choose to make it a learning exp, vice a silent OH CRAP, i could have blown my left arm off or worse.
thats the sailor in me .

and the winchester safe performed awesome and nothing passed through to damage my other stuff
 
It would be much better to train to keep the finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. If you are carrying for defense , you might not have time to rack that slide if something goes down.

I am not trying to put you down , as 10MM said , crap happens all the time.
 
HansGruber said:
This is why I have a pile of old encyclopedias in the corner of The Armoury. Any, and I mean ANY manipulation involving live ammunition is aimed at it.
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That's a good way to always be safe.

Keeping some kinda homemade backstop in the area of your home where you work on firearms or handle them frequently is a good cheap added safety insurance.

A 5 gallon bucket filled 3/4 the way with sand by my work bench gives me a little piece of mind before working or cleaning my firearms.
 
Never had an AD or ND myself but when I was working for Mossberg one of my many responsibilities was managing the final inspection and packing area along with the accessories warehouse.
One afternoon a rack of blot action guns came out to final inspection from the shooting test area and one was left with live rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber, instead of racking the bolt to check for a clear gun the inspector pointed the muzzle up and pulled the trigger sending a round through the roof, 35 people who were busy packing guns hit the floor and I ran to the inspector and took the gun from his hand. Dropped the mag and racked the empty case from the chamber.
3 people were fired that day.
 
There was an Alaska-based reality TV show on maybe 5 years ago (?) I watched once or twice. It was about the staff at a gun shop, maybe in Anchorage. The smith always fired his test rounds back in the shop right into a regular bucket full of sand. We're talking Alaska bush rifles and hunting rifles...not those mamby-pamby .223's we all love. When I first saw this guy's backstop for a moose rifle, I thought he was crazy...maybe not? I still wouldn't shoot into a bucket on purpose like that...
 
It's never happened to me, but as 10mm and Anni said, it can happen to anyone.

Things like this just stress the importance of repetitive training to the point of muscle memory. Sometimes the brain slips, but if you train the finger to stay off the trigger and the arm to always point in a safe direction you can seriously tip the odds in your favor.

I'm glad no one was hurt. It's a learning experience.
 
papa said:
It would be much better to train to keep the finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. If you are carrying for defense , you might not have time to rack that slide if something goes down.

I am not trying to put you down , as 10MM said , crap happens all the time.
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yes i have done that many times, carry it loaded and really paid extra mental attention

papa said:
It would be much better to train to keep the finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. If you are carrying for defense , you might not have time to rack that slide if something goes down.

I am not trying to put you down , as 10MM said , crap happens all the time.
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funny you mentioned this
when we are in the woods walking around i use the XD 9 plastic holster, one in the chamber at the ready
pigs are fast, so are freaking snakes that drop out of the trees. the plastic holster is easy to use in that arena. actually tough as nails, i have had mine covered in mud and water and still held on to the pistol. even the muddy xd works like a champ.

i dont like using it for concealed carry as it rides odd. rides good open carry, but even though that is legal with my license. i don't OPEN carry, personal reason; not good or bad or ugly

if i carry the xd in my leather holster, its a retention holster as required under license to carry so its a bit tight by nature and yes you can extract the xd without touching the trigger, its still very easy to let the finger curl vice stay straight, especially for my old hands

so for me i err on side of safety with the xd

the 1911s are a different ball game, you can have one chambered, safety on and hammer in safe position so when you draw its easy to pull hammer back in same move as you remove from holster. then its just a flick of thumb to go hot.
thats one fluid movement.

i do lots of muscle memory training with all the different makes and models we own
the 1911 is by far the best imo to carry loaded and concealed, with its 7 -8 rounds being its only limitation.

the xd 9 with 17rds is a great carry and those extra rounds allow you a bit more less precise aim if needed in a stress situation. xd 45 acp with 13 is great but HEAVY

i consider myself fortunate, i have been licensed to carry for over 10 years. only 1 time did i have to reach for a pistol and remove it from the holster.


you can never train enough.
fact is a huge number of people never have to draw and even fewer have to actually fire. taking a life is serious decision and becomes even more serious as more and more entities make legal ownership and self defense legally challenging
 
Using some Magtech 9mm, I had a couple of duds, shooting with family with several pistols out on the bench and rotating through as we each shot a different pistol. We had a couple of duds in the Magtech 9mm, in my Sig P320 M18, we waited for the hangfire, then ejected them, gave them some time and then loaded them in my SA XD-M Elite that has a much stronger striker than the Sig. It fired 2 of the 4 rounds that the P320 couldn't fire. But 2 still didn't fire.

So several things going on and we are packing up. I start checking and clearing my pistols, do a final dry fire downrange, put them in condition 4 and box them up. My son opens up my XD-M box and shows me, I boxed it up with that last dud chambered in the pistol. Yikes.... We cleared it, and boxed it back up correctly this time...
 
powerboatr said:
a month or so back i was swapping out ammo in the bersa 380. i always carry with one in the pipe, with this pistol becasue it has such great safeties , cant fire if magazine is out etc.

doing too many things at same time and did the dumbest thing ever , let my hands move faster than the brain

as i dropped slide i let my finger move to the trigger and somehow let the safety remain off...

pistol was pointed at the safe (less than 6 inches)and BOOM, went deaf,

laid pistol down and did the self check for blood and stuff of which there was none, just DEAFNESS 

wife ran out because it was a VERY loud noise

searched for a bit to find the round

lucky for me it bounce up and off the hard back on the reload bench, tumbled into the cover sheet and avoideme or ??
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Never had one myself but 2 fellow Officers in my PD did. I wasn't around when they happened but heard all about them from people who were present when they happened. But as stated above it can happen to anyone at anytime.
 
Um wow, glad you are OK.

Never had a firearm related accident like that but had a real big work related one when I was 20. I Was running an overhead crane picking up 5 and 6 thousand bundles of brass rod to supply automatic screw machines.

One day, contrary to common sense, I stood between the stacks of rod to lift a bundle. It was something we all did because you had swivel the bundle up into the cradle and it was easier to reach. I heard a crack, of the steel cable lifting the bundle snap and next thing I knew I was standing on the stack next to the space where the bundle fell into. No idea how I got there. I had to have levitated up 4 feet and over 4 feet in a millisecond. Pat says my guardian angel did it and I cannot argue.. I certainly do not know how I did it.

I would have been crushed because this was well over the normal 6000 because it was 2 bundles which had broken open and simply wrapped together with Nylon straps.
 
wolfpack076 said:
Never had one myself but 2 fellow Officers in my PD did. I wasn't around when they happened but heard all about them from people who were present when they happened. But as stated above it can happen to anyone at anytime.
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I'm torn on this statement. You're almost (almost, not definitely) saying Sh!t happens, which I can't abide by. You may be saying, always be cautious, cause if you think it will never happen to you, it definitely could happen to you, yes I totally agree with that.

This is why firearm safety rules are multi-layers and redundant, so if you screw up one of the rules, or even two of the rules, the others have you covered and prevents a serious accident....

I'm also against a "zero-defects" mentality, a Police Officer has a negligent discharge but because he followed all the other rules, when he had a human failing with only one of them, yea, he shouldn't have his careered wrecked, a couple months of ribbing from his fellow officers is probably punishment enough. If the guy was totally wreckless and it was a miracle no one was hurt because he was breaking all the rules, yea, perhaps that officer needs to be canned.

I have multiple posts saying I'm a dry fire fanatic, one day that might bite me in the a$$, and I will have a negligent discharge into the dirt 3' in front of me. I'd argue that is far less negligent than having a negligent discharge across a room or in the direction of people. We can go down the rabbit hole of calling something a "less" negligent discharge, but my point is, there is a difference between someone that negligently shoots his police locker, his gun safe, the dirt just past the firing line, or the floor of a building, compared to someone that negligently discharges in the direction of people, walls, doors, etc....

And that's my point, I'm sure you agree, following all the rules result in at worst embarrassing yourself, perhaps a little minor property damage, breaking multiple rules is when people get hurt.
 
Sld1959 said:
Um wow, glad you are OK.

Never had a firearm related accident like that but had a real big work related one when I was 20. I Was running an overhead crane picking up 5 and 6 thousand bundles of brass rod to supply automatic screw machines.

One day, contrary to common sense, I stood between the stacks of rod to lift a bundle. It was something we all did because you had swivel the bundle up into the cradle and it was easier to reach. I heard a crack, of the steel cable lifting the bundle snap and next thing I knew I was standing on the stack next to the space where the bundle fell into. No idea how I got there. I had to have levitated up 4 feet and over 4 feet in a millisecond. Pat says my guardian angel did it and I cannot argue.. I certainly do not know how I did it.

I would have been crushed because this was well over the normal 6000 because it was 2 bundles which had broken open and simply wrapped together with Nylon straps.
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I was midshipman on a ship doing Unrep, where they sling pallets of supplies on cables going from one ship to the other, as well as fueling hoses to refuel the ship. They assign me to supervise one of the resupply stations, one of the sailors got between the pallet on the cable and a steel bulkhead, I grabbed him and pulled him away, he gave me a look, like you've got some nerve for a glorified college student they gave a khaki shirt and slacks too, then we heard the boom as the 600lb pallet slammed against the steel bulkhead, and that looked changed to thank you...
 
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