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Question on 1911 barrels

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ECS686

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Ok I am somewhat familiar with 1911’s having owned 2 Springfield’s and a Colt. 5” just not a gunsmith on them.

I am interested in a TRP 4 1/4” Classic or Garrison but noticed they come with a ramped barrel where the 5” is standard.

I know ramped helps with higher pressure rounds like 38 Super Major and etc

but in 45 is there any significant difference in dependability etc???

The reason I ask is I had a Para Ordinance P16 limited race gun in 40 for USPSA the ramp was so steep it actually pushed the bullet back causing setback within the case. So that concerns me with the 45 and some notables like Bickers (I know he’s in hot water but he still knows a thing or 2) stated he doesn’t like ramped barrels in 45.

So to Springfield nation what’s everyone’s take? Obviously SA engineers are comfortable with them. Just wondering!
 
ECS686 said:
Ok I am somewhat familiar with 1911’s having owned 2 Springfield’s and a Colt. 5” just not a gunsmith on them.

I am interested in a TRP 4 1/4” Classic or Garrison but noticed they come with a ramped barrel where the 5” is standard.

I know ramped helps with higher pressure rounds like 38 Super Major and etc

but in 45 is there any significant difference in dependability etc???

The reason I ask is I had a Para Ordinance P16 limited race gun in 40 for USPSA the ramp was so steep it actually pushed the bullet back causing setback within the case. So that concerns me with the 45 and some notables like Bickers (I know he’s in hot water but he still knows a thing or 2) stated he doesn’t like ramped barrels in 45.

So to Springfield nation what’s everyone’s take? Obviously SA engineers are comfortable with them. Just wondering!
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"Larry Vickers"

i have a few 1911's, and other 45's...

S&W E- 1911 standard

DW Heritage 1911 standard

DW Pointman 1911 standard

Sig STX 1911 standard

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now, i have an S&W MP 2.0 45...ramped

and a CZ 97B "steep(er) ramp" compared to the one above.

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i do believe, the CZ having the "steeper ramp", is the reason why it will NOT shoot semi wadcutters, BALL ammo only

as such, when i buy 45 ACP factory ammo, or reload my own....?? it is BALL ammo only.

and the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it applies" for me, as i will not replace a barrel simply cuz some expert says he doesn't like it.

i buy what I LIKE, no matter the barrel (but i will not buy a Bull barrel), and i will shoot it, and have fun with it.

buy what YOU WANT, not what some expert says he likes.

by the way, i DO reload semi wadcutters for my .38 special revolver and 45 Colt LC revolver.
 
Old_Me said:
"Larry Vickers"

i have a few 1911's, and other 45's...

S&W E- 1911 standard

DW Heritage 1911 standard

DW Pointman 1911 standard

Sig STX 1911 standard

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now, i have an S&W MP 2.0 45...ramped

and a CZ 97B "steep(er) ramp" compared to the one above.

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i do believe, the CZ having the "steeper ramp", is the reason why it will NOT shoot semi wadcutters, BALL ammo only

as such, when i buy 45 ACP, or reload..?? it is BALL ammo only.

and the old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it applies" for me, as i will not replace a barrel simply cuz some expert says he doesn't like it.

i buy what I LIKE, no matter the barrel (but i will not buy a Bull barrel), and i will shoot it, and have fun with it.

buy what YOU WANT, not what some expert says he likes.
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My point of the question the ramps look somewhat steep and my Para was too steep I’m no engineer but it wouldn’t pushed the bullet (no matter if it was factory or reload) down into the case with just one chambering.

And Vickers knows gun designs he has stated the 45 doesn’t need it and causes issues.

I have others M&P 9 and 45 and lots of other ramped (or somewhat ramped) that have no issues but their ramps don’t appear as steep.

I know a lot of folks complain about MIM 30 years ago on they might be valid but now these days my Springfields and new S&W revolvers have been fine with normal use (parts steel or not are going to be replaced with use)
And 1911’s can have their own quirks

So while the para might be a sample of one just wondered and Joe there are more 1911 experience here than I have
 
ECS686 said:
My point of the question the ramps look somewhat steep and my Para was too steep I’m no engineer but it wouldn’t pushed the bullet (no matter if it was factory or reload) down into the case with just one chambering.

And Vickers knows gun designs he has stated the 45 doesn’t need it and causes issues.

I have others M&P 9 and 45 and lots of other ramped (or somewhat ramped) that have no issues but their ramps don’t appear as steep.

I know a lot of folks complain about MIM 30 years ago on they might be valid but now these days my Springfields and new S&W revolvers have been fine with normal use (parts steel or not are going to be replaced with use)
And 1911’s can have their own quirks

So while the para might be a sample of one just wondered and Joe there are more 1911 experience here than I have
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like mentioned thus far...no issues.

with 1911's, the designers, builders, smiths, whomever, would have not made ramped barrels, at least i feel so.

it might be the other 45's that might have issues with the different ammo, like i said my CZ 97B, which is super steep over the M&P S&W 45.

it could have been the ammo you were using too.....for the Para to not have chambered the round.

it has been said, many times, not all ammo will work in all guns.

try a different brand, make sure its Ball, not any other type?
 
ECS686 said:
My point of the question the ramps look somewhat steep and my Para was too steep I’m no engineer but it wouldn’t pushed the bullet (no matter if it was factory or reload) down into the case with just one chambering.

And Vickers knows gun designs he has stated the 45 doesn’t need it and causes issues.

I have others M&P 9 and 45 and lots of other ramped (or somewhat ramped) that have no issues but their ramps don’t appear as steep.

I know a lot of folks complain about MIM 30 years ago on they might be valid but now these days my Springfields and new S&W revolvers have been fine with normal use (parts steel or not are going to be replaced with use)
And 1911’s can have their own quirks

So while the para might be a sample of one just wondered and Joe there are more 1911 experience here than I have
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It really shouldn’t, factory ammo has a real good and tight taper crimp on semi auto ammo, if you reload any semi auto ammo, you need a tight taper crimp on the rounds. You should always use a taper crimp die on any semi auto reload you make, roll crimp will not crimp right or at all on a semi auto round, that crimp is for revolver rounds.

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Annihilator said:
It really shouldn’t, factory ammo has a real good and tight taper crimp on semi auto ammo, if you reload any semi auto ammo, you need a tight taper crimp on the rounds. You should always use a taper crimp die on any semi auto reload you make, roll crimp will not crimp right or at all on a semi auto round, that crimp is for revolver rounds.

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right...this is a pic of my first revolver reloading, and adjusting the roll crimp die. each round shot beautifully too.

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thing is, i need to get up my stock of .38 specials and 45 Colt LC when i can.

way behind in stocking up on those.
 
Annihilator said:
It really shouldn’t, factory ammo has a real good and tight taper crimp on semi auto ammo, if you reload any semi auto ammo, you need a tight taper crimp on the rounds. You should always use a taper crimp die on any semi auto reload you make, roll crimp will not crimp right or at all on a semi auto round, that crimp is for revolver rounds.

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I am aware and do. I mentioned both because the para had such a steep ramp it set back both factory as well!
 
rcurtner said:
Good looking reloads. I really like the Keith style semi-wadcutter bullets.
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thanks, that was my first work up to get the Dillon dialed in, with the Lee dies. only did if i recall about 20 in total, took'em the the club, and had a blast..............when i can, i have to order up the boxes from midway usa......to make up at least 200 more........ya see....it's not saving money...reloading..!!!!!!


to be honest, all i did was tell the mom/pop store guy, i wanted semi-wadcutters.

i don't or didn't know they had a name.
 
Old_Me said:
thanks, that was my first work up to get the Dillon dialed in, with the Lee dies. only did if i recall about 20 in total, took'em the the club, and had a blast..............when i can, i have to order up the boxes from midway usa......to make up at least 200 more........ya see....it's not saving money...reloading..!!!!!!


to be honest, all i did was tell the mom/pop store guy, i wanted semi-wadcutters.

i don't or didn't know they had a name.
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I think original Elmer Keith semi's were in 44 caliber with one large lube ring. There are several variations of this style bullet in 38/357 and probably other calibers I'm not familiar with. Like full wadcutters they cut nice clean holes in paper.
 
rcurtner said:
I think original Elmer Keith semi's were in 44 caliber with one large lube ring. There are several variations of this style bullet in 38/357 and probably other calibers I'm not familiar with. Like full wadcutters they cut nice clean holes in paper.
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Yes, originally in .44, I loaded hundreds of those many moons ago, still remember the recipe to…😬
 
rcurtner said:
I still have my Lyman mould for the 44's, probably will never use it again. Had to quit casting for medical issues miss it.
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I have about 75 lb's of ingots of my recipe for bullets a little harder than Lyman #2. I've been unable to find anyone locally that still casts bullets.
 
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