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Random Thoughts on Weapon Lights, Flashlights, Training, and The Gun World’s Cancel Culture

Talyn

Talyn

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Given the common practice of handguns being built with rails and the wide availability of lights to install on said rails, it’s really not very surprising that people would want to install lights on their pistols.

The issue is whether or not they’re a worthwhile addition or just another “thing” or “gadget” to hang off of the gun.


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I found it funny that folks with zero relevance were the most critical of the Wilson Combat video. I was particularly amused that someone in the comments of another channel on it thought he had more exposure to things than Paul Howe.

Everything Hackathorn said was true. Red Dots only really benifit the ones that are gonna put in the time. It’s not magic

People just got punched in their ego because they have this gear they like and emulate what they see. And they didn’t want to hear it.

The WML stuff does cause folks to muzzle sweep everything in the room. I say this as someone that has trained folks in state and federal training centers and used everything i see it all the time they cause people (LEOs and Civilians ) to cover people with muzzles that they are not justified to do so. It is also why LEOs shoot the wrong people. I was guilty as was everyone in LE back in the day of pointing guns at people for minor BS misdemeanors that we probably shouldn’t have been. The folks that can’t manage stress have made case law or department policy from shooting the wrong people

I know a state police agency that a large number of monthly disciplinary letters were from using their WML on a Handgun to read a drivers license and the drivers complained and the body and dash cam got pulled and they get a couple days vacation.
 
Weapon lights when deployed properly are extraordinarily useful, along with handhelds. Proper combat and weapon lights must have certain operating characteristics. Surfire for one has this figured out. Which you deploy depends on circumstances. Working in dark spaces I always regarded my light as my most critical survival tool. Try searching a dark alley or attic for a dangerous adversary without one.
 
"Now, thanks to good old Chinese ingenuity, very bright lights can be had at relatively inexpensive prices."
That should have read thanks to good old Chinese slave labor. ;)
Great article.
I'm not surprised. It seems that anyone over 30 has gone past their sell by date. Unless they go out of their way to preach the "latest" shooting method and endorse the newest Lego stick on, then they might make it to 35. People that have been doing and living it for 45-50 years are fossils and out of date. Of course, if you have been doing, living it and paying attention for 45-50 years you have seen much of this come and go at least once before, it's just been repackaged and called new.
 
HayesGreener said:
Try searching a dark alley or attic for a dangerous adversary without one.
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Not being a member of the police or military, and being a retired, fa,t old ,bald man, I don't go searching for adversaries, in the dark or otherwise. I much prefer to hunker down and let them come to me. Or, better still un@$$ the A.O.
Nothing against a light, they do come in handy, but they are fast becoming another "if you don't carry X you're going to die."
 
Interesting article, especially the kitchen situation (god as a father couldn’t even imagine the other situation). So in this instance, it was his father-in-law so no threat but the man did not know that. So I agree with Hans on both hand held and weapon light. I keep both on me, although I am in the hunt for a new hand held.

However for instance, let’s use kitchen table scenario. The guy perceived a threat, used WML to identify and determined it was not a threat.

If he had a hand held, he would of not of swept his father in law. But let’s say he uses hand held, and handgun is at the low ready, and it happened to now be an armed intruder instead. Is said guy at a disadvantage, as the armed intruder might be coming in with gun at the ready, or do people assume the man would retain advantage as the light would temporarily surprise intruder? Or in this instance, since a true perceived threat (unknown entering home) was present was the use of the WML appropriate?

I use hand held for searching, for stuff and unknown sounds, gun in holster. But if I heard a sound that to me indicated a known threat (window break, dog growling in the middle of the night, door opening in middle of night) my instinct would likely be to use weapon light. Perhaps I am wrong in that perhaps not. Which is why I am asking.
 
bc22wm said:
Not being a member of the police or military, and being a retired, fa,t old ,bald man, I don't go searching for adversaries, in the dark or otherwise. I much prefer to hunker down and let them come to me. Or, better still un@$$ the A.O.
Nothing against a light, they do come in handy, but they are fast becoming another "if you don't carry X you're going to die."
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But, how do you check in the closet and under the bed for the booger man before you go to sleep? 😉
 
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