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Range Report: Stopbox Drill and 4" Targets, 1/19/23

BassCliff

Professional
Hey folks,

I tried a couple of different things at the range on Thursday. I was mostly trying to dial in my accuracy at 10 yards with some new targets but I also brought along my Stopbox to practice a quick retrieval and accurate first shot. As ususal, I had moments of brilliance followed by bits of buffoonery.

It was a cold, wet day here in the upper Midwest. Weather like this makes me glad to be indoors at Fletcher Arms. This is the older facility.

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Once again I got my favorite lane, this time it was #9. I brought B-8 and small silhouette targets along with a new reactive target.

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This was not a long session. I used only the XD9 and Garrison. I also brought a roll of 4" reactive targets to stick on the larger targets. Just like @KillerFord1977 and @SimonRL.

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I loaded up five magazines with 16 rounds each. As you can tell, the first on this B-8 was very unimpressive.

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Next I started shooting the 4" targets from ten yards. I was thinking the smaller target would force me to aim smaller and therefore miss smaller. This target wasn't too bad, for this old noob. I see only three hits outside the 4" circle.

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Then true to form, I get cocky, get in a hurry, etc, and the rest of the 4" targets were somewhere between bad and terrible, with about half the hits outside the target. Drat. So I covered the center of the B-8 target with an 8" reactive to practice with my Stopbox.

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I placed my loaded XD9 in the box, sent the target out to ten yards, and set the timer.

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When the timer sounded I would grab the box with the finger combination, open it, grab the pistol, and put a shot on target as quickly as possible. This is the first run, fairly accurate but not as fast as I'd like.

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I ran this six times. Here's run #2. It's a little quicker and almost as accurate.

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Run #3, just under 3 seconds and just OK accuracy.

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On run #4 I fumbled the opening of the box which slowed me down but the accuracy was pretty good.

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Run #5 was slightly faster, 3.53 seconds, and the hit was just about in the same hole as run #3.

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OK, last run, again under three seconds with another very accurate hit, just outside the red bull.

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I will practice with the retention device more in my basement. Note that this is not a gun safe or anti-theft device. It's a retention device, like an external holster, with just enough security to keep the young hands of my grandchildren from accessing my firearm. When I'm not actually carrying, I can leave my pistol in the Stopbox on my nightstand or coffee table and not worry about curious little fingers. But I digress.

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Then for grins and giggles I just put the rest of that magazine on the 8" target. Well, all except for one hit. Drat.

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Then I shot a few unimpressive B-8 targets with my Garrison. This was the best one. Ten shots with three hits in the 8 ring (gimme the line break?).

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I save my reactive silhouette for last, hoping for better results. But alas, ten hits in the lower left quadrant.

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But I felt better once I got home. I had picked up my favorite pizza and one of my favorite beers to enjoy that evening. Life is good.

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I hope your visit to the range this week was as much fun as mine. It's my thinking that if I use the 4" targets more it will improve my accuracy. It will force me to do more "aim small, miss small". Wish me luck.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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Two things.

Gotta train in the cold Cliff. I'm going to the range early tomorrow morning when the temps are in the upper 20s. I invited my wife's girlfriend to come along and shoot the AR I built for her, but she was having none of it. I think the time has come in your evolution of the fundamentals to challenge yourself a little more. Yeah, you're still shooting low and left and could use to spend some time dryfiring with a spent casing on your front blade to break the habit of jerking your trigger press, but you really aren't missing by much. I think maybe you are trying to compare yourself to KF and Simon too much. Not that there's anything wrong with straight range/target shooting, but personally I have other more realistically applicable needs.

Which brings me to my main point. You gotta train for the environment you live in. That means, heat, cold, rain, snow, etc.. You also have to train for the adrenaline you're going to have if, god forbid, you are ever in a terrible situation where you HAVE to use a gun. This means running and shooting. Running to and from "Cover", shooting laying on your stomach, leaning around obstacles, with your weak hand, all while panting and trying to catch your breath and preferably at moving targets.

I will have several new targets I welded up, which hold swinging steel gongs placed at various spots and intermixed with pallets I built with legs for simulated cover. I will be shooting my 1301, my P30L and a 10.5" AR while running around like a bastard and pretending I am being shot at by 4", 6" and 12" steel gongs.

Let's face it brother, if you can put 4 out of 5 hits on a 4" gong while you are moving to and from cover and your heart is beating out of your chest you're doing pretty damn good. I would never go bullseye shooting with Simon or KillerFord. They'd make me look stupid. But I'd guess I might not look so stupid if we were shooting at moving targets while running around like a retarded rhesis monkey. :)
 
Two things.

Gotta train in the cold Cliff. I'm going to the range early tomorrow morning when the temps are in the upper 20s. I invited my wife's girlfriend to come along and shoot the AR I built for her, but she was having none of it. I think the time has come in your evolution of the fundamentals to challenge yourself a little more. Yeah, you're still shooting low and left and could use to spend some time dryfiring with a spent casing on your front blade to break the habit of jerking your trigger press, but you really aren't missing by much. I think maybe you are trying to compare yourself to KF and Simon too much. Not that there's anything wrong with straight range/target shooting, but personally I have other more realistically applicable needs.

Which brings me to my main point. You gotta train for the environment you live in. That means, heat, cold, rain, snow, etc.. You also have to train for the adrenaline you're going to have if, god forbid, you are ever in a terrible situation where you HAVE to use a gun. This means running and shooting. Running to and from "Cover", shooting laying on your stomach, leaning around obstacles, with your weak hand, all while panting and trying to catch your breath and preferably at moving targets.

I will have several new targets I welded up, which hold swinging steel gongs placed at various spots and intermixed with pallets I built with legs for simulated cover. I will be shooting my 1301, my P30L and a 10.5" AR while running around like a bastard and pretending I am being shot at by 4", 6" and 12" steel gongs.

Let's face it brother, if you can put 4 out of 5 hits on a 4" gong while you are moving to and from cover and your heart is beating out of your chest you're doing pretty damn good. I would never go bullseye shooting with Simon or KillerFord. They'd make me look stupid. But I'd guess I might not look so stupid if we were shooting at moving targets while running around like a retarded rhesis monkey. :)
Bob, I assure you me and KF are more than capable of running around like retarded rhesus monkeys.
 
I trained in the cold today. It was 60°. I had to wear a long sleeve shirt! Fortunately the range was a balmy 72° and I only had a short walk from the car.
One good thing about my outdoor club when it's 30 degrees. I'm virtually guaranteed to be the only one there. Which means I can make a massive mess on the main range instead of being relegated to one of the really primitive ranges like the crazy old uncle, which is usually the case. When I start breaking out ridiculous home made paraphernalia and doing crazy :poop: with shotguns the old codgers who like to sit comfortably at benches and shoot their reactive targets just stare at me all slack jawed.
 
Hi Bob!

Two things.

Gotta train in the cold Cliff. I'm going to the range early tomorrow morning when the temps are in the upper 20s. I invited my wife's girlfriend to come along and shoot the AR I built for her, but she was having none of it. I think the time has come in your evolution of the fundamentals to challenge yourself a little more. Yeah, you're still shooting low and left and could use to spend some time dryfiring with a spent casing on your front blade to break the habit of jerking your trigger press, but you really aren't missing by much. I think maybe you are trying to compare yourself to KF and Simon too much. Not that there's anything wrong with straight range/target shooting, but personally I have other more realistically applicable needs.

Which brings me to my main point. You gotta train for the environment you live in. That means, heat, cold, rain, snow, etc.. You also have to train for the adrenaline you're going to have if, god forbid, you are ever in a terrible situation where you HAVE to use a gun. This means running and shooting. Running to and from "Cover", shooting laying on your stomach, leaning around obstacles, with your weak hand, all while panting and trying to catch your breath and preferably at moving targets.

I will have several new targets I welded up, which hold swinging steel gongs placed at various spots and intermixed with pallets I built with legs for simulated cover. I will be shooting my 1301, my P30L and a 10.5" AR while running around like a bastard and pretending I am being shot at by 4", 6" and 12" steel gongs.

Let's face it brother, if you can put 4 out of 5 hits on a 4" gong while you are moving to and from cover and your heart is beating out of your chest you're doing pretty damn good. I would never go bullseye shooting with Simon or KillerFord. They'd make me look stupid. But I'd guess I might not look so stupid if we were shooting at moving targets while running around like a retarded rhesis monkey. :)

Thanks for all that. I appreciate the reminder. It's been a few months now but at one time I was training exclusively outdoors. Granted, the Southern California mountains would be in the mid to high 30s when we started in the morning but we were doing some pretty cool stuff. Hopefully no one will mind if I post links to my range reports from another forum.



From vehicles and non-standing positions...


This was a fun day too...


How about a couple of highlight reels?




I miss this kind of training. I've been talking to other shooters at my range about outdoor facilities. I'm planning to take advantage of them. There's one outdoor gun club not far away that has a couple of IDPA competitions monthly, weather permitting. That sounds like a nice way to get an outdoor workout. But I don't think these happen in the dead of winter.

I have been training with extra layers of clothing so that I can defeat them if necessary. Getting your gun out from under a winter coat can be challenging. I really don't think I'll be getting in a gunfight in a blizzard, but this stuff is fun to train for anyway.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Hi Bob!



Thanks for all that. I appreciate the reminder. It's been a few months now but at one time I was training exclusively outdoors. Granted, the Southern California mountains would be in the mid to high 30s when we started in the morning but we were doing some pretty cool stuff. Hopefully no one will mind if I post links to my range reports from another forum.



From vehicles and non-standing positions...


This was a fun day too...


How about a couple of highlight reels?




I miss this kind of training. I've been talking to other shooters at my range about outdoor facilities. I'm planning to take advantage of them. There's one outdoor gun club not far away that has a couple of IDPA competitions monthly, weather permitting. That sounds like a nice way to get an outdoor workout. But I don't think these happen in the dead of winter.

I have been training with extra layers of clothing so that I can defeat them if necessary. Getting your gun out from under a winter coat can be challenging. I really don't think I'll be getting in a gunfight in a blizzard, but this stuff is fun to train for anyway.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
Well, let's hope none of us will be getting in a gunfight in any weather. :)

It's like that episode of The Young Ones where they get so bored Neil goes out back and digs his own grave. " I'm not going to kill myself today actually, but, you know, just in case...."
 
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