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Are you believing everything you read, printed or internet, because you know what is said about the internet, "If it's on the internet it must be true!" How many times have you changed a setup from what you read or watched too suit your needs? "Don't fall into the trap the Democrats are full of crap!", My Fellow American's quote! Just for laughs! Republicans could do the same also, they both open their mouths!?

^ I know you wrote that partially in-jest, but actually, most of what I repeat come directly from vetted sources: from those whose peers have named them as a true Subject Matter Expert (SME).

The two individuals whose words are most applicable and which I've cited in this thread come from the following (and for handgun, for-instance, there's similar pictures of me in classes with noted SMEs - https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/type-of-holster-you-use-for-edc.172/page-2#post-5955 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/is-your-shooting-stance-wrong.146/#post-3819) ----->

This is me taking a class from John "Chappy" Chapman (https://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/john_chapman.php) -

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^ Chappy is a recognized SME in both CQB as well as lights/night-vision/optics. His CV includes the like of BE Meyers (https://www.breachbangclear.com/chappy-goes-mawling/), Sphur (http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/15/spuhr-announces-forge-tactical-as-brand-ambassadors/) and being recruited by Panteo Productions for their CQB and NV segments (https://panteao.com/instructors/john-chapman/).

And here's Joe Weyer of the Alliance PD SRT (https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/who-is-joe-weyer/ and https://alliancepolicetraining.com/instructors/) critically assessing my lack of skill and offering sage words of correction as well as warm reassurance -

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Ask anyone in the industry, and they'll tell you that the APD's shoothouse is Joe's house - and that this rabidly pro-2A instructor has taught countless military/police and American citizens alike. :)

What I try to advise others with is simply my way of "paying it forward," because I know that not everyone is able to get out to train (I found Claude Werner's recent blog entry to speak very much to my heart: https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/can-we-be-a-little-less-judgmental/). I take what folks like these have taught me and try to help others who are struggling with the same concepts/issues as I have.

For example, I up-front let folks know that I had a hard time with mechanical offset (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-2#post-3579). I had thought that I "got it," with the previous flat-range classes I'd taken (including shooting on moving targets), but my spring of 2016 virgin live-fire runs through the shoothouse showed me that when the pressure is on and the tiny pea that I call my brain reached overload, I started no longer be able to hold to the exacting "eyebox" metric for head-shots. This then led me to pursue several fundamental/basic AR classes that summer so that I could remediate.

Similarly, the difficulties I encountered with the interaction of my astigmatism and near-sightedness versus my RDS (Aimpoint T1) during my first real AR class where I could push distance caused me to pursue this matter more, again seeking advice as well as instruction from SMEs with both the carbine and optics (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/sights.354/#post-5092 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-4#post-4222). This led to more self-guided range-time and classes, to vet these concepts for myself and to again remediate and ingrain proper technique.

It's not just about believing blindly everything that I read or see. There's a tremendous amount of misinformed, wrong, and even outright dangerously problematic instruction out there on the internet today - and it is particularly in response to this type of bad advice that I try and counterbalance.

It's about knowing who the information came from, and being able to prove (or disprove) the validity of their assertions and advice for myself: and even moreso specifically in the context of how I will employ these weapons, gear, and technique in my life.

Only then can I properly pass-on the knowledge: knowing not just that it's the correct thing that someone else has said/instructed, but WHY that bit of advice is actually correct and applicable.

So, yes, I may have read it or seen it on the internet (and heck, doesn't our writing and interactions here, by their very nature, also fall to this same skepticism? :ROFLMAO:🤪 ) - but good information is good information. Just because I saw on the internet that 2+2=4 doesn't take away the fundamental truth behind that reality. I guaranty anyone reading my posts that should you pursue the issues that I've written, you'll find that the sources I cited will meet the highest vetting requirements, and that the skill and techniques I quoted from them will play out for you with just as much validity as any other student they have taught. (y)
 
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:giggle: You're making me blush - stop! :) Honestly, I know very little, but there's a few spots of shine in here, so I try to contribute where I can.

I've struggled with the unmagnified RDS before, due to my astigmatism, and worked to both gather knowledge from SMEs as well as from behind the optic to reconcile things. As long as we're not talking about using them with night-vision, I can help.

Budget lasers is something that I've personally spent embarrassingly too much money on. Given the opportunity to go back in time, I'd have just saved up a little longer to begin with, and I'd like to save others the same heartache/headache.

Coming to grips with mechanical offset is something that I also needed to work at, since I've never had any military or police marksmanship training - I had to work to understand external ballistics (i.e. that the bullet doesn't "rise," but rather, the interactions between the sight and bore axes causes the perceived phenomenon), and then, as you and others who've read this thread and the "AR" thread know, I've had to again work to really be able to execute this knowledge while under pressure. Similarly, CQB was a new concept to me as well, and being able to




A green laser is going to cost you, but Holosun provides a green-reticle RDS with "shake-awake" at a price-point that's below $200, with their HE403B-GR: https://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-403-elite-micro-green-dot-he403b-gr

Green reticles are definitely less common, so don't just look for a sight that has a green reticle - keep in mind the make ("brand") too, so that you can err on the side of better quality. :)

"Shake-awake" is one of the newest sought-after features, but in all honesty, with battery-life that's typically now measured in years (note the manufacturer's quoted setting at which this battery duration is claimed, though!), a yearly or semi-annual replacement schedule will have you good-to-go, even without. Most folks recommend either easy-to-remember dates (i.e. your birthday, major holiday, etc.) or to time it with the semi-annual replacement of your home's smoke/CO-detector battery replacements.



Yes and no.

There's multiple ways to zero a laser, and each has their compromises:



My personal preference is the "parallel" method for both handgun and long-gun.

For the handgun, a 50-yard shot (in-reference to the Shooting Illustrated article) in reduced visibility (i.e. low-light) as well as my ability to hold-steady for visual alignment with the laser (negated with use of ironsights or optics, as my eyes/brain compensates for the "infinity wobble," to-wit: 50-yard shots on B/C-zone steel is something htat I am very confident and comfortable with, even single-handed, under time/social pressure) are factors which I consider to be zero-sum.

This, versus on a carbine - even short-barreled .223/5.56 or 300-BLK - is a very, very easy shot to make.

Additionally, the parallel method reinforces the mechanical offset concept.

^ But that's just me. :)



You may have a mount height issue or, possibly, an eye dominance issue.

Let's pursue the following three questions -

(1) What kind of mount are you using on your optic?

(2) Do you have a cheek-riser on your AR's stock?

(3) Are you shooting off of your dominant eye, with that same cheek on the stock? If so, close your non-dominant eye just to be sure that the sight picture does not change (you may have incomplete dominance).

Before I moved here I had ample yards and yards for sighting. Unfortunately now the yards are neighbors property and they frown on someone shooting across. Likewise firing down the street is equally frowned upon. Therefore I am stuck with an indoor range that has a little under 20 yards. Or, an outdoor range over 20 miles away.

1. The riser that came with it.
2. No stock. Pistol has a brace.
3. Yes, Dom eye..... yes cheek is placed along the brace

Attaching a couple pics to maybe assist you and I appreciate you sticking with me on this.

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For a 1/4 moa adjustment at 100 yds, a 1” is 4 clicks. At 25yds, I have to click 16 times to get one inch of adjustment. It’s literally 4 times the amount to get it to zero at that range.
and if you are 2" off and only have 26 clicks remaining............................................
 
^ I know you wrote that partially in-jest, but actually, most of what I repeat come directly from vetted sources: from those whose peers have named them as a true Subject Matter Expert (SME).

The two individuals whose words are most applicable and which I've cited in this thread come from the following (and for handgun, for-instance, there's similar pictures of me in classes with noted SMEs - https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/type-of-holster-you-use-for-edc.172/page-2#post-5955 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/is-your-shooting-stance-wrong.146/#post-3819) ----->

This is me taking a class from John "Chappy" Chapman (https://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/john_chapman.php) -

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^ Chappy is a recognized SME in both CQB as well as lights/night-vision/optics. His CV includes the like of BE Meyers (https://www.breachbangclear.com/chappy-goes-mawling/), Sphur (http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/15/spuhr-announces-forge-tactical-as-brand-ambassadors/) and being recruited by Panteo Productions for their CQB and NV segments (https://panteao.com/instructors/john-chapman/).

And here's Joe Weyer of the Alliance PD SRT (https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/who-is-joe-weyer/ and https://alliancepolicetraining.com/instructors/) critically assessing my lack of skill and offering sage words of correction as well as warm reassurance -

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Ask anyone in the industry, and they'll tell you that the APD's shoothouse is Joe's house - and that this rabidly pro-2A instructor has taught countless military/police and American citizens alike. :)

What I try to advise others with is simply my way of "paying it forward," because I know that not everyone is able to get out to train (I found Claude Werner's recent blog entry to speak very much to my heart: https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/can-we-be-a-little-less-judgmental/). I take what folks like these have taught me and try to help others who are struggling with the same concepts/issues as I have.

For example, I up-front let folks know that I had a hard time with mechanical offset (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-2#post-3579). I had thought that I "got it," with the previous flat-range classes I'd taken (including shooting on moving targets), but my spring of 2016 virgin live-fire runs through the shoothouse showed me that when the pressure is on and the tiny pea that I call my brain reached overload, I started no longer be able to hold to the exacting "eyebox" metric for head-shots. This then led me to pursue several fundamental/basic AR classes that summer so that I could remediate.

Similarly, the difficulties I encountered with the interaction of my astigmatism and near-sightedness versus my RDS (Aimpoint T1) during my first real AR class where I could push distance caused me to pursue this matter more, again seeking advice as well as instruction from SMEs with both the carbine and optics (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/sights.354/#post-5092 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-4#post-4222). This led to more self-guided range-time and classes, to vet these concepts for myself and to again remediate and ingrain proper technique.

It's not just about believing blindly everything that I read or see. There's a tremendous amount of misinformed, wrong, and even outright dangerously problematic instruction out there on the internet today - and it is particularly in response to this type of bad advice that I try and counterbalance.

It's about knowing who the information came from, and being able to prove (or disprove) the validity of their assertions and advice for myself: and even moreso specifically in the context of how I will employ these weapons, gear, and technique in my life.

Only then can I properly pass-on the knowledge: knowing not just that it's the correct thing that someone else has said/instructed, but WHY that bit of advice is actually correct and applicable.

So, yes, I may have read it or seen it on the internet (and heck, doesn't our writing and interactions here, by their very nature, also fall to this same skepticism? :ROFLMAO:🤪 ) - but good information is good information. Just because I saw on the internet that 2+2=4 doesn't take away the fundamental truth behind that reality. I guaranty anyone reading my posts that should you pursue the issues that I've written, you'll find that the sources I cited will meet the highest vetting requirements, and that the skill and techniques I quoted from them will play out for you with just as much validity as any other student they have taught. (y)
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experiences. Please keep sharing.
 
Before I moved here I had ample yards and yards for sighting. Unfortunately now the yards are neighbors property and they frown on someone shooting across. Likewise firing down the street is equally frowned upon. Therefore I am stuck with an indoor range that has a little under 20 yards. Or, an outdoor range over 20 miles away.

1. The riser that came with it.
2. No stock. Pistol has a brace.
3. Yes, Dom eye..... yes cheek is placed along the brace

Attaching a couple pics to maybe assist you and I appreciate you sticking with me on this.

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Is that a PSA? I purchased a 10.5 inch pistol from them and I love it. When I sighted it in with open sights at 50 yards, it was shooting about an MOA.

It has rapidly become my favorite weapon to haul around the woods.
 
and if you are 2" off and only have 26 clicks remaining............................................
Lol. Screwed bro. If it is indeed a 1/4 moa adjustments. Most red dots are 1/2 or 1 moa. If you got a 1/2 moa than you should have enough for the 2” at 16 clicks. Or 8 clicks per inch. Is that how much your optic was off?
 
Is that a PSA? I purchased a 10.5 inch pistol from them and I love it. When I sighted it in with open sights at 50 yards, it was shooting about an MOA.

It has rapidly become my favorite weapon to haul around the woods.

Yes, PSA 300BO with 7.5" ...... Very nice

Lol. Screwed bro. If it is indeed a 1/4 moa adjustments. Most red dots are 1/2 or 1 moa. If you got a 1/2 moa than you should have enough for the 2” at 16 clicks. Or 8 clicks per inch. Is that how much your optic was off?

I was just taking off on your example a bit further is all.
 
^ I know you wrote that partially in-jest, but actually, most of what I repeat come directly from vetted sources: from those whose peers have named them as a true Subject Matter Expert (SME).

The two individuals whose words are most applicable and which I've cited in this thread come from the following (and for handgun, for-instance, there's similar pictures of me in classes with noted SMEs - https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/type-of-holster-you-use-for-edc.172/page-2#post-5955 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/is-your-shooting-stance-wrong.146/#post-3819) ----->

This is me taking a class from John "Chappy" Chapman (https://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/john_chapman.php) -

View attachment 1649

^ Chappy is a recognized SME in both CQB as well as lights/night-vision/optics. His CV includes the like of BE Meyers (https://www.breachbangclear.com/chappy-goes-mawling/), Sphur (http://soldiersystems.net/2017/05/15/spuhr-announces-forge-tactical-as-brand-ambassadors/) and being recruited by Panteo Productions for their CQB and NV segments (https://panteao.com/instructors/john-chapman/).

And here's Joe Weyer of the Alliance PD SRT (https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/who-is-joe-weyer/ and https://alliancepolicetraining.com/instructors/) critically assessing my lack of skill and offering sage words of correction as well as warm reassurance -

View attachment 1651

Ask anyone in the industry, and they'll tell you that the APD's shoothouse is Joe's house - and that this rabidly pro-2A instructor has taught countless military/police and American citizens alike. :)

What I try to advise others with is simply my way of "paying it forward," because I know that not everyone is able to get out to train (I found Claude Werner's recent blog entry to speak very much to my heart: https://tacticalprofessor.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/can-we-be-a-little-less-judgmental/). I take what folks like these have taught me and try to help others who are struggling with the same concepts/issues as I have.

For example, I up-front let folks know that I had a hard time with mechanical offset (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-2#post-3579). I had thought that I "got it," with the previous flat-range classes I'd taken (including shooting on moving targets), but my spring of 2016 virgin live-fire runs through the shoothouse showed me that when the pressure is on and the tiny pea that I call my brain reached overload, I started no longer be able to hold to the exacting "eyebox" metric for head-shots. This then led me to pursue several fundamental/basic AR classes that summer so that I could remediate.

Similarly, the difficulties I encountered with the interaction of my astigmatism and near-sightedness versus my RDS (Aimpoint T1) during my first real AR class where I could push distance caused me to pursue this matter more, again seeking advice as well as instruction from SMEs with both the carbine and optics (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/sights.354/#post-5092 and https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/lets-see-your-ar-setups.258/page-4#post-4222). This led to more self-guided range-time and classes, to vet these concepts for myself and to again remediate and ingrain proper technique.

It's not just about believing blindly everything that I read or see. There's a tremendous amount of misinformed, wrong, and even outright dangerously problematic instruction out there on the internet today - and it is particularly in response to this type of bad advice that I try and counterbalance.

It's about knowing who the information came from, and being able to prove (or disprove) the validity of their assertions and advice for myself: and even moreso specifically in the context of how I will employ these weapons, gear, and technique in my life.

Only then can I properly pass-on the knowledge: knowing not just that it's the correct thing that someone else has said/instructed, but WHY that bit of advice is actually correct and applicable.

So, yes, I may have read it or seen it on the internet (and heck, doesn't our writing and interactions here, by their very nature, also fall to this same skepticism? :ROFLMAO:🤪 ) - but good information is good information. Just because I saw on the internet that 2+2=4 doesn't take away the fundamental truth behind that reality. I guaranty anyone reading my posts that should you pursue the issues that I've written, you'll find that the sources I cited will meet the highest vetting requirements, and that the skill and techniques I quoted from them will play out for you with just as much validity as any other student they have taught. (y)
Everyone has their own proven way, but I don't show and/or teach my skills to only my family. Silent and unobserved make those who are unaware too have their guard down! Train too what one's belief is too be the best!
 
I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experiences. Please keep sharing.

^ I will help as much as I can! :) However, both the breadth and depth of my little pond is pretty limited, so it's gonna run out sooner rather than later! 😅 😊

Before I moved here I had ample yards and yards for sighting. Unfortunately now the yards are neighbors property and they frown on someone shooting across. Likewise firing down the street is equally frowned upon. Therefore I am stuck with an indoor range that has a little under 20 yards. Or, an outdoor range over 20 miles away.

Give 300blktalk.com a try. There's a few threads dealing with zeroing, but without registering, I am having trouble with an in-depth search.

There just doesn't seem to be the same offset zero targets out for the .300 Blackout as there is for the .223/5.56. :(

So, that said....

Given your indoor range limitations, I'd start with this:


^ If your indoor range allows a close-zero with the carbine, this should get you at least close enough to play ball.

Take note of the fact that Proctor *specifically* highlights the importance of good marksmanship at this close range (that first link on the JTT article I cited above should have taken you to this other article of theirs, which has a video by Proctor, explaining how to use this method, if you didn't hit that link, hit it now! --> https://jerkingthetrigger.com/2014/11/12/frank-proctors-50-yard-zero-at-10-yards/). You'll literally want your shots to touch - if not drilling a single hole. Any deviation you see at this close range will simply "cone out" and magnify, so you really need to put forward your 110%, if you're going to use this kind of close-range offset target as a way to get around range limitations.

At home, I use this target with an el-cheapo bore-sighter (commercial bore-sighters have their limitations - take a look at some of what the military does for bore-sighting: https://primaryandsecondary.com/the-laser-bore-sight/ , https://primaryandsecondary.com/how-to-zero-the-laser-boresight-to-a-weapon/ , https://primaryandsecondary.com/more-zeroing-with-boresight/ , and you'll get a feel for why I kinda laugh at myself when I stick something like this down my barrel, in my living room - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019891889?pid=824298), combined with the above 10-yard offset target to achieve a very rough zero, so that I know I'll be on paper when I get out to the range.

When I get to the range, I live-fire this offset target at 10 yards to confirm, and then I push out to the 25 using Arma Dynamics' excellent 25-yard offset target (for either a 50 or 100 yard zero - http://www.arma-dynamics.com/red-dot-zero-targets.html), and either then final zero at that far distance or just leave it as-is, so that I can dial in at the beginning of whatever training class I'm going to take. 🎯

I just wish I could find one of these offset targets specific for the .300-BLK...... 😟

1. The riser that came with it.
2. No stock. Pistol has a brace.
3. Yes, Dom eye..... yes cheek is placed along the brace

Attaching a couple pics to maybe assist you and I appreciate you sticking with me on this.

No need to thank me - just glad to help a fellow shooter. :)

Things look to be A-OK with your current setup (pictures were extremely helpful, thank you!): that brace and the sights should work out - nothing seems glaringly wrong, at least to me......

I'm wondering why you're getting so much interference from your glasses and earpro.... My daughter's pretty small, and her eyepro's pretty large: https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/photos-of-projects-your-working-on.408/#post-6388 - she's 5'4" and that's a pair of Bollé Paroles - the lenses are intentionally large. Those ears are my Sordin Supreme ProXs, which are "low profile," but they still take up a huge portion of her side profile in terms of the top-to-bottom measure. Here's a picture of her from just over three years ago, when she was 10, where she's wearing her Pro Ears ProTac SC Golds -

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The stock on her 15-22, in each of those pictures, is just a plain-Jane Magpul MOE, and she doesn't have any issues (her full-caliber AR utilizes a brace, too, albeit not one nearly as nice as yours - it's just a Shockwave)....

I'm wondering why you're bumping into things, would you mind sharing a picture of how you're cheeking the gun? Maybe there's another part of the equation that's missing?

I think your mount height isn't an issue either way. Getting that high off the bore axis is part-and-parcel for the AR-patterned weapons - ergonomically, this is just how the gun is - so learning offset is really where it's at. :) And really, if we do find that the particulars of your face and gear really do have to have you off the brace's cheekpiece a little higher, that honestly shouldn't be an issue, either, as plenty of guys and gals shoot today with 1.93 optic mounts to better clear 12-o'clock rail-mounted lasers.

The sight is holding zero, though, correct?
 
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^ I will help as much as I can! :) However, both the breadth and depth of my little pond is pretty limited, so it's gonna run out sooner rather than later! 😅 😊



Give 300blktalk.com a try. There's a few threads dealing with zeroing, but without registering, I am having trouble with an in-depth search.

There just doesn't seem to be the same offset zero targets out for the .300 Blackout as there is for the .223/5.56. :(

So, that said....

Given your indoor range limitations, I'd start with this:


^ If your indoor range allows a close-zero with the carbine, this should get you at least close enough to play ball.

Take note of the fact that Proctor *specifically* highlights the importance of good marksmanship at this close range (that first link on the JTT article I cited above should have taken you to this other article of theirs, which has a video by Proctor, explaining how to use this method, if you didn't hit that link, hit it now! --> https://jerkingthetrigger.com/2014/11/12/frank-proctors-50-yard-zero-at-10-yards/). You'll literally want your shots to touch - if not drilling a single hole. Any deviation you see at this close range will simply "cone out" and magnify, so you really need to put forward your 110%, if you're going to use this kind of close-range offset target as a way to get around range limitations.

At home, I use this target with an el-cheapo bore-sighter (commercial bore-sighters have their limitations - take a look at some of what the military does for bore-sighting: https://primaryandsecondary.com/the-laser-bore-sight/ , https://primaryandsecondary.com/how-to-zero-the-laser-boresight-to-a-weapon/ , https://primaryandsecondary.com/more-zeroing-with-boresight/ , and you'll get a feel for why I kinda laugh at myself when I stick something like this down my barrel, in my living room - https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019891889?pid=824298), combined with the above 10-yard offset target to achieve a very rough zero, so that I know I'll be on paper when I get out to the range.

When I get to the range, I live-fire this offset target at 10 yards to confirm, and then I push out to the 25 using Arma Dynamics' excellent 25-yard offset target (for either a 50 or 100 yard zero - http://www.arma-dynamics.com/red-dot-zero-targets.html), and either then final zero at that far distance or just leave it as-is, so that I can dial in at the beginning of whatever training class I'm going to take. 🎯

I just wish I could find one of these offset targets specific for the .300-BLK...... 😟



No need to thank me - just glad to help a fellow shooter. :)

Things look to be A-OK with your current setup (pictures were extremely helpful, thank you!): that brace and the sights should work out - nothing seems glaringly wrong, at least to me......

I'm wondering why you're getting so much interference from your glasses and earpro.... My daughter's pretty small, and her eyepro's pretty large: https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/photos-of-projects-your-working-on.408/#post-6388 - she's 5'4" and that's a pair of Bollé Paroles - the lenses are intentionally large. Those ears are my Sordin Supreme ProXs, which are "low profile," but they still take up a huge portion of her side profile in terms of the top-to-bottom measure. Here's a picture of her from just over three years ago, when she was 10, where she's wearing her Pro Ears ProTac SC Golds -

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The stock on her 15-22, in each of those pictures, is just a plain-Jane Magpul MOE, and she doesn't have any issues (her full-caliber AR utilizes a brace, too, albeit not one nearly as nice as yours - it's just a Shockwave)....

I'm wondering why you're bumping into things, would you mind sharing a picture of how you're cheeking the gun? Maybe there's another part of the equation that's missing?

I think your mount height isn't an issue either way. Getting that high off the bore axis is part-and-parcel for the AR-patterned weapons - ergonomically, this is just how the gun is - so learning offset is really where it's at. :) And really, if we do find that the particulars of your face and gear really do have to have you off the brace's cheekpiece a little higher, that honestly shouldn't be an issue, either, as plenty of guys and gals shoot today with 1.93 optic mounts to better clear 12-o'clock rail-mounted lasers.

The sight is holding zero, though, correct?

Looks as if her sight is higher for one. I also wear over the lens safety glasses. My electronic ears are what I think are low profile compared to most.
Trying to make it to the range tomorrow morning..... we'll see how the new BUIS work out and see what I can do with the old cheapy Pinty.... Still looking for a sight to try. Maybe something with a dot and a ring.
 
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Looks as if her sight is higher for one. I also wear over the lens safety glasses. My electronic ears are what I think are low profile compared to most.

Ah! That explains it for why your glasses are bumping! OTG safety glasses will offer a much larger profile, unfortunately.....

Have you reached an age where your vision prescription is stable? If so, you may gain a lot of enjoyment by investing in prescription shooting glasses. Not just so that you're no longer bumping your OTG eyewear into the stock of your long-guns, but even moreso in terms of correction for any visual aberrations that may come about as a result of your eyes needing to cut through not one, but two, sets of lenses between it and your optic. My best guess is that those OTGs don't have the best optical clarity and may even be slightly distorting your view (particularly as we tend to sight at the upper inboard quadrant of our eyewear).

Her mount is a typical ~1.6x-inch tall "lower-1/3" co-witness mount (the specific one has long since been discontinued, but I was able to verify that it is a "lower-1/3" alignment by not only looking through the gun now, but also with my old purchase invoice).

A typical absolute co-witness should be right around 1.4x-inches.

You noted in your previous posts that you're on a 1.25" riser (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/red-dot-sight-assistance.521/page-2#post-9123), so, yes, you're absolutely right - she's taller on the gun than you, and that's likely also a contributing factor, here, with the glasses/earpro interference. Very good catch, Sir! :)

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One item to note is that with your somewhat non-traditional setup (non-traditional in that your riser isn't one of those "industry-standard" heights), your exact mechanical offset will not match up precisely with the various offset targets I referenced above. You'll still be close, and I think you should still use them to get yourself somewhat sighted-in....but it'll be even more important for you to get out to the range to confirm at-distance, live-fire, as now you've got several different variables all making their own contributions!
 
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Ah! That explains it for why your glasses are bumping! OTG safety glasses will offer a much larger profile, unfortunately.....

Have you reached an age where your vision prescription is stable? If so, you may gain a lot of enjoyment by investing in prescription shooting glasses. Not just so that you're no longer bumping your OTG eyewear into the stock of your long-guns, but even moreso in terms of correction for any visual aberrations that may come about as a result of your eyes needing to cut through not one, but two, sets of lenses between it and your optic. My best guess is that those OTGs don't have the best optical clarity and may even be slightly distorting your view (particularly as we tend to sight at the upper inboard quadrant of our eyewear).

Her mount is a typical ~1.6x-inch tall "lower-1/3" co-witness mount (the specific one has long since been discontinued, but I was able to verify that it is a "lower-1/3" alignment by not only looking through the gun now, but also with my old purchase invoice).

A typical absolute co-witness should be right around 1.4x-inches.

You noted in your previous posts that you're on a 1.25" riser (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/red-dot-sight-assistance.521/page-2#post-9123), so, yes, you're absolutely right - she's taller on the gun than you, and that's likely also a contributing factor, here, with the glasses/earpro interference. Very good catch, Sir! :)

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One item to note is that with your somewhat non-traditional setup (non-traditional in that your riser isn't one of those "industry-standard" heights), your exact mechanical offset will not match up precisely with the various offset targets I referenced above. You'll still be close, and I think you should still use them to get yourself somewhat sighted-in....but it'll be even more important for you to get out to the range to confirm at-distance, live-fire, as now you've got several different variables all making their own contributions!
Or you can try these, I have been considering a purchase.


The 1.25" riser is off now with the Pinty on and the BUIS. They match up fine. If I was shooting competition then I'd be all in on different glasses and such. I want to be able to shoot the pistol in my everyday environment short the eyes and ears in an emergency. Right now the concern is how I get the bullet to where it needs to go. Get mine there first. I'll try some experiments tomorrow. Use my ear plugs.
 
@SMSgtRod - Hopefully you were successful today and won't need this, but in case you do have to throw money at the problem:


If you create an account there, the price for this combo goes down to $175, plus ship.

DSG Arms is a trusted vendor in the community, and I've ordered from them many times in the past.
 
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