SgtMaj. V.
Alpha
Looking for recommendations on a solid 3X green dot absolute co-witness scope. I say green as I am colorblind but can see the green waaaay better than the red. That is, if this animal exists. Appreciate any feedback.
Saint 5.56 Optic
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HansGruber
Ronin
I don’t know if 3x will allow you to see your front sight, so cowitness may be moot.
You may be best off getting a non-magnified green dot (In which case—get a Holosun; model escapes me, but I think they have a few) and flip-up 3x magnifier. Just get absolute cowitness mounts, and Bob’s your uncle.
They’re also making sights with gold-colored reticles, so that may be an option…
You may be best off getting a non-magnified green dot (In which case—get a Holosun; model escapes me, but I think they have a few) and flip-up 3x magnifier. Just get absolute cowitness mounts, and Bob’s your uncle.
They’re also making sights with gold-colored reticles, so that may be an option…
SgtMaj. V.
Alpha
Really appreciate the the feedback gent's. Totally wished I could see the red dots well as there are a ton of options out there.
After the scope, comes a new muzzle brake when I find a decent one!
After the scope, comes a new muzzle brake when I find a decent one!
Bassbob
Emissary
Skip the muzzle break brother. Not only is it completely unnecessary on a 5.56, it is ridiculously loud and will make anyone on either side of you want to slap you silly.
As far as red dots go you're right, there are a great number of options. But if you're trying to stay under $400 those Holosuns are the way to go regardless of what color you need the dot to be. Holographic sights or Prism sights is a different story I suppose. Really it depends on your budget. Based on your opening post it seems like you may not be too familiar with red dots and their advantages and disadvantages. Ordinarily for someone like you I would recommend an inexpensive, solid unit like a Sig Romeo 5 ( which is made by Holosun) to start out with, that way you don't spend a ton of money only to realize you would rather have an LPVO or a regular rifle scope. The Romeo 5 is bulletproof and normally runs about $120. As far as I know they are only available with red though.
I think maybe do some research, here and on the internet, and decide what exactly it is you are going to be using the Saint for. Long range, close range, self defense, hunting, etc.. Because that will definitely put many other options on the table.
SgtMaj. V.
Alpha
Thank you for the advice Bob. I have a great gun club that I belong to here in Ga. and they have multiple ranges (short steel to 500yd.). There are so many of the guys there that have the brakes already on theirs, I need (want!) to "fight back" per say. You are right, loud and obnoxious, but a cool look for the weapon. I would prefer one not with the angle cuts as I have read about them blasting the operator with the powder (haha).
You are correct - I don't even own a red-dot or holo. I grew up on the old iron sights and tell my son now (Recon Capt.) that he is so lucky they have the high speed gear to qualify with. I have done a lot of research, to the point of making my eyes crossed. I will look seriously at the Holosun now. I just want the full-witness as a back up, which us Marines call Plan B!
You are correct - I don't even own a red-dot or holo. I grew up on the old iron sights and tell my son now (Recon Capt.) that he is so lucky they have the high speed gear to qualify with. I have done a lot of research, to the point of making my eyes crossed. I will look seriously at the Holosun now. I just want the full-witness as a back up, which us Marines call Plan B!
KillerFord1977
SAINT
put ya a Surefire Warcomp on there:
I took all my SA brakes off my Saints. Too brutal on the firing line
Solo for hogs out in a field, no big deal, but thats rare as I usually have shooters with me.
I took all my SA brakes off my Saints. Too brutal on the firing line
Solo for hogs out in a field, no big deal, but thats rare as I usually have shooters with me.
Bassbob
Emissary
The vast majority of optics that aren't RDMS ( red dots for pistols) come with co-witness mounts. The Romeo 5 comes with the correct one on it for an AR and has a low mount in the box. My current favorites are the Holosun 510Cs, which are mounted on Quick Release co-witness mounts. I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about Co-Witness as it is pretty much standard across the platform. Zero'ing them is pretty simple too. They're all going to be close if not dead on right out of the box for windage and usually they are zero'ed for a specific distance. Meaning adjusting for elevation is normally just a couple clicks and you're done. If you already have BUIS on the rifle that are zero'ed for your preferred distance you just adjust the dot so that it is on your front sight when you are looking through the rear sight and you should be zero'ed, although I would check independently of the irons just to make sure.
Like Hans said, magnified optics won't see your front sight through them usually, depending on what power magnification they are.
HansGruber
Ronin
I run one of their SOCOM comps on one of my rifles; it’s magic. Not that much louder than an A2, either.put ya a Surefire Warcomp on there:
I took all my SA brakes off my Saints. Too brutal on the firing line
Solo for hogs out in a field, no big deal, but thats rare as I usually have shooters with me.
Bassbob
Emissary
Another thing to consider, if you are planning on regularly shooting out past 200 yards just having a red dot is going to be frustrating. In a defensive situation 300 yards even is doable with an unmagnified red dot if you have decent eyesight and you aren't trying to be too accurate. Combat accuracy though you'll be ok. At my range we have a steel silhouette at 250 yards and I can bang it every time with my Wilson and a Holosun 512C, but it is much more fun to shoot at a bullseye target with my .223W topped with a Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50.
There are couple ways to come to a decent compromise. You can get a red dot and put a magnifier on with it. The magnifier flips out of the way for close range and can be rapidly deployed for longer shots. It's still not going to be as crisp and accurate as a scope though. I think a better option is a nice LPVO with a RDMS mounted on it with a 45 degree mount. That way you can use the red dot at close range by turning the rifle slightly or you can mount it normally and use your scope for long range.
It really just depends on what you are expecting to do with your rifle.
There are couple ways to come to a decent compromise. You can get a red dot and put a magnifier on with it. The magnifier flips out of the way for close range and can be rapidly deployed for longer shots. It's still not going to be as crisp and accurate as a scope though. I think a better option is a nice LPVO with a RDMS mounted on it with a 45 degree mount. That way you can use the red dot at close range by turning the rifle slightly or you can mount it normally and use your scope for long range.
It really just depends on what you are expecting to do with your rifle.
Bassbob
Emissary
Also pay no attention to anything @KillerFord1977 says. All his Saints have thermal and NV scopes on them that cost more than his rifles. 
He is a man who definitely considered what he was going to be doing with his rifles when he decided what optics to use.
He is a man who definitely considered what he was going to be doing with his rifles when he decided what optics to use.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Also pay no attention to anything @KillerFord1977 says. All his Saints have thermal and NV scopes on them that cost more than his rifles.