I have a new Saint edge ATC and I and I am now shopping for the right scope for that gun. I have a red. on my Saint edge and love it but the ATC is obviously Built to reach out further and so I am assuming that a different type of optic would be better is better on that gun.. I'm trying to get a feel for what optics they used to do the reviews But I was hoping to get some advice? Thanks
Saint Edge ATC Scope recomendation?
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Bassbob
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Depends on how much money you want to spend and what your intended use is. I built a 16" .223 Wylde and I just put a cheap ($70) Primary Arms 3-9x44 on it. It's just a range toy for me. If you want high precision at 400 yards maybe get a better scope than I did. If you intend to use it for defensive purposes get the best LPVO you can afford.
I agree wholeheartedly with @Talyn and @Bassbob above.
@Trebleg1 , the possibilities are near-endless, and it's really going to come down to your desires and your budget.
At the lower end of the budget cap, you're not going to get glass that's crystal clear and/or can really support low-light shooting. On the other hand, spending a lot on the optic won't guaranty that you can actually reach out to the limits of the cartridge/gun platform if you haven't invested in training/practice, in vetting your ammunition and gathering DOPE (data on previous engagements).
Similarly, you'll want to invest in a solid mount: you don't need a top-flight quick-detach if there's no need for such, but if so, you should nevertheless still invest in a solid, fixed mount or rings. This should definitely figure into your purchase budget.
And while having a bipod isn't a necessity, understanding that you'll want to shoot from a solid, final firing position in order to attain maximum accuracy/precision is - if you want to do this instead off a rest, bags, or even improvise by using a pack/range-bag, that's definitely possible, too, but if you do want to go with a bipod, that's going to be yet another expense you'll want to figure-in: some of the top-tier bipods are not inexpensive.
I think that The Armory Life's December 8th article by Jeremy Tremp (https://www.thearmorylife.com/review-saint-edge-atc/) presented some very reasonable hardware choices (where the author specified "a Leupold Mk5 3.6-18×44 FFP on an [ADM] Recon SL low mount [, plus] a B&T Industries Atlas Bipod" with ammo that he used being the "Federal Premium Gold Medal 77-gr. Sierra MatchKing") that enabled him to reach out as far as he did on the target size that he did (1,300 yards on a full-sized IPSC plate), but if your demands aren't as rigorous or you simply don't have access to a range that even remotely allows you to reach that far - or if you don't want to spend that much on ammo - then your hardware demands can also be scaled back to match your needs and wants.
For me, for example, I'm happy and content plinking on that full-sized plate at the 400 yard line, in daylight - which is rather easy for me on a typical 16-inch gun with just a mid-range Vortex Viper PST (first-generation, 1-4x), using nothing but average and inexpensive 55 gr. range-fodder ammo.
This is shooter-dependent, too, of-course: my buddy, who is a better shot than me overall, can easily engage the same out to the 300 yard line with just his 2 MOA, unmagnified, red-dot.
With those examples in-mind, I would encourage you to - as the others have said - look first at your needs/wants and then at your budget, and go from there.
As it stands, your question has a bit too much wiggle room for more targeted (sorry, no pun intended
) advice.
@Trebleg1 , the possibilities are near-endless, and it's really going to come down to your desires and your budget.
At the lower end of the budget cap, you're not going to get glass that's crystal clear and/or can really support low-light shooting. On the other hand, spending a lot on the optic won't guaranty that you can actually reach out to the limits of the cartridge/gun platform if you haven't invested in training/practice, in vetting your ammunition and gathering DOPE (data on previous engagements).
Similarly, you'll want to invest in a solid mount: you don't need a top-flight quick-detach if there's no need for such, but if so, you should nevertheless still invest in a solid, fixed mount or rings. This should definitely figure into your purchase budget.
And while having a bipod isn't a necessity, understanding that you'll want to shoot from a solid, final firing position in order to attain maximum accuracy/precision is - if you want to do this instead off a rest, bags, or even improvise by using a pack/range-bag, that's definitely possible, too, but if you do want to go with a bipod, that's going to be yet another expense you'll want to figure-in: some of the top-tier bipods are not inexpensive.
I think that The Armory Life's December 8th article by Jeremy Tremp (https://www.thearmorylife.com/review-saint-edge-atc/) presented some very reasonable hardware choices (where the author specified "a Leupold Mk5 3.6-18×44 FFP on an [ADM] Recon SL low mount [, plus] a B&T Industries Atlas Bipod" with ammo that he used being the "Federal Premium Gold Medal 77-gr. Sierra MatchKing") that enabled him to reach out as far as he did on the target size that he did (1,300 yards on a full-sized IPSC plate), but if your demands aren't as rigorous or you simply don't have access to a range that even remotely allows you to reach that far - or if you don't want to spend that much on ammo - then your hardware demands can also be scaled back to match your needs and wants.
For me, for example, I'm happy and content plinking on that full-sized plate at the 400 yard line, in daylight - which is rather easy for me on a typical 16-inch gun with just a mid-range Vortex Viper PST (first-generation, 1-4x), using nothing but average and inexpensive 55 gr. range-fodder ammo.
This is shooter-dependent, too, of-course: my buddy, who is a better shot than me overall, can easily engage the same out to the 300 yard line with just his 2 MOA, unmagnified, red-dot.
With those examples in-mind, I would encourage you to - as the others have said - look first at your needs/wants and then at your budget, and go from there.
As it stands, your question has a bit too much wiggle room for more targeted (sorry, no pun intended
) advice.Thanks for your reply, I had a feeling there was More to my question than I even knew and that there was some nuance and a range of possibilities for this firearm.. The barrel is 18" and I Is have access to a 600 yd range. This information will help me focus my shopping and give me a comprehensive expenditure rationalization program for my wife.
^ For 600 yards, you'll want to reserve a part of your budget for ammo - both initial vetting as well as for continued re-stocking, as it's *more than likely* that you'll need to step up to a better tier of ammo than common range-fodder. While vetting your ammo is going to be an expense initially, that's a one-time deal....the continued resupply is going to be like putting premium gasoline into your tank - it's a real concern for some, but for others, not much of a care.
That distance does start to make things fuzzy (no pun intended) with regard to the glass itself.
If you're just ringing steel for fun, a modern 1-6x or 1-8x that's reasonably priced should work just fine (with the caveat of ammo above), but if you're shooting paper for score, you might want more glass. Higher magnification scopes that start at 3-5x and can dial up to 12x to 16x (or similar) will definitely make things easier in the latter context and can be more affordable than modern true-1x LPVO. If you'd like to set the gun up for closer-range engagements, an offset micro-RDS is a favored "SPR" setup these days....and guys even run those on their multi-purpose guns with the LPVO cranked all the way up, and using the RDS for CQB. However, that RDS and its mount will of-course also be an additional expense, and one which can easily eat up your initial savings.
Keep in mind that while most mid-grade-and-up modern optics all tend to have very clear glass with little distortion at the edges, as soon as you start losing daylight, every penny you spend into the equation will fast become obvious. If you intend to do low-light shooting, it's going to be worth it to spend a bit more to begin with.
This all said, distance/precision is not my wheelhouse, and I've only messed around very little in terms of "reaching out." Heck, I don't even have a precision gun. I'm afraid that I must call the limits of the little and shallow pond that I call my pool of knowledge, and politely bow-out now that I've reached its shores. I'll be watching this thread, though, in the hopes that I'll myself learn something from your excellent questions, @Trebleg1 .
Until then, I'll be dreaming of being able to reach out a bit longer....
That distance does start to make things fuzzy (no pun intended) with regard to the glass itself.
If you're just ringing steel for fun, a modern 1-6x or 1-8x that's reasonably priced should work just fine (with the caveat of ammo above), but if you're shooting paper for score, you might want more glass. Higher magnification scopes that start at 3-5x and can dial up to 12x to 16x (or similar) will definitely make things easier in the latter context and can be more affordable than modern true-1x LPVO. If you'd like to set the gun up for closer-range engagements, an offset micro-RDS is a favored "SPR" setup these days....and guys even run those on their multi-purpose guns with the LPVO cranked all the way up, and using the RDS for CQB. However, that RDS and its mount will of-course also be an additional expense, and one which can easily eat up your initial savings.
Keep in mind that while most mid-grade-and-up modern optics all tend to have very clear glass with little distortion at the edges, as soon as you start losing daylight, every penny you spend into the equation will fast become obvious. If you intend to do low-light shooting, it's going to be worth it to spend a bit more to begin with.
This all said, distance/precision is not my wheelhouse, and I've only messed around very little in terms of "reaching out." Heck, I don't even have a precision gun.
I'm afraid that I must call the limits of the little and shallow pond that I call my pool of knowledge, and politely bow-out now that I've reached its shores. I'll be watching this thread, though, in the hopes that I'll myself learn something from your excellent questions, @Trebleg1 .Until then, I'll be dreaming of being able to reach out a bit longer....