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Bassbob said:
Uh, so you’ve noticed price decreases somewhere ? Because I haven’t. Even the crappy Turkish guns are getting more expensive every day.
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Whatever one might think or feel about the Turks, either historically or at present, I must say from experience that Turkish guns aren't "crappy", they've made decent trust-worthy firearms since ww1 at least. Ask anyone who's fought them, or been allied to them for that matter. Their weapons are all over in that part of the world and they are getting better, making improvements in manufacturing, quality, and trained work-force. Hurts me (kinda) to say so, but the most recent Tisas .45 I checked out was the quality of any modern Colt 1911.. while price increases are unavoidable due to the failing US Dollar, they've been doing a good job holding the line on prices.
I'm not so whippy on their ammo, but they are up to NATO standards, sooo... Speaking of NATO, the Turks HAVE been our ally and holding the s.e. tier of Europa and access to/from the Black Sea for many years now- probably since the '20's, or '30's of the last century, at least. America has never been to war with Turkey, not even ww1. All too often their reward has been being treated like a red-headed step-child...
 
DunRanull said:
Whatever one might think or feel about the Turks, either historically or at present, I must say from experience that Turkish guns aren't "crappy", they've made decent trust-worthy firearms since ww1 at least. Ask anyone who's fought them, or been allied to them for that matter. Their weapons are all over in that part of the world and they are getting better, making improvements in manufacturing, quality, and trained work-force. Hurts me (kinda) to say so, but the most recent Tisas .45 I checked out was the quality of any modern Colt 1911.. while price increases are unavoidable due to the failing US Dollar, they've been doing a good job holding the line on prices.
I'm not so whippy on their ammo, but they are up to NATO standards, sooo... Speaking of NATO, the Turks HAVE been our ally and holding the s.e. tier of Europa and access to/from the Black Sea for many years now- probably since the '20's, or '30's of the last century, at least. America has never been to war with Turkey, not even ww1. All too often their reward has been being treated like a red-headed step-child...
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Guess you’ve not tried any of their shotguns ?
 
Bassbob said:
I’ve made the caveat here many times that I’ve not tried their handguns. @SimonRL likes his and so do other guys here. I’ve seen more than a couple Turk shotguns though and all of them were “ disappointing”.
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That's cuz we're snobs for the Italian babes. Beretta, Benelli and if I want a lesser gun, there's Franchi.
Mossberg has certainly proven themselves time and again. I love the 500/590 line and when this state gets its head out of its @ss, gonna get me one of those 940s
 
Funwithfuel said:
That's cuz we're snobs for the Italian babes. Beretta, Benelli and if I want a lesser gun, there's Franchi.
Mossberg has certainly proven themselves time and again. I love the 500/590 line and when this state gets its head out of its @ss, gonna get me one of those 940s
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It might also have to do with the fact that almost all the ones I’ve handled are crap. In fact, my son in law ended up with a TRI Silver Eagle break action single in 12 gauge he got in one of his wheeling and dealing trades. This was last week. So he brings it down to me to go through and function test. The internal hammer only wants to reset if you slam it shut or pull the trigger with the gun open. The problem is if you pull the trigger with the gun open and then load a shell and close the gun, as soon as you close the action it fires. 😳
The only Turkish shotgun I’ve personally had experience with that didn’t have issues is a Stoeger 20 gauge double “ coach gun” that my friend Bill owns. And even though that gun functions ok it’s still quirky. If you pull a trigger with the action open, resetting the triggers or separating the barrel from the receiver requires some process which I don’t recall exactly what now other than it’s a pain in the ass.

Then @HansGruber has a Turkinelli which after a break in/ range trip apparently functions properly. It’s worth noting though that he doesn’t hold it in anywhere near as high regard as an actual Benelli.
 
Bassbob said:
It might also have to do with the fact that almost all the ones I’ve handled are crap. In fact, my son in law ended up with a TRI Silver Eagle break action single in 12 gauge he got in one of his wheeling and dealing trades. This was last week. So he brings it down to me to go through and function test. The internal hammer only wants to reset if you slam it shut or pull the trigger with the gun open. The problem is if you pull the trigger with the gun open and then load a shell and close the gun, as soon as you close the action it fires. 😳
The only Turkish shotgun I’ve personally had experience with that didn’t have issues is a Stoeger 20 gauge double “ coach gun” that my friend Bill owns. And even though that gun functions ok it’s still quirky. If you pull a trigger with the action open, resetting the triggers or separating the barrel from the receiver requires some process which I don’t recall exactly what now other than it’s a pain in the ass.

Then @HansGruber has a Turkinelli which after a break in/ range trip apparently functions properly. It’s worth noting though that he doesn’t hold it in anywhere near as high regard as an actual Benelli.
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Can confirm.

Would I use it for defense? Yes.

Do I? No; I use a Benelli M1S90 Tactical.

But it does make me want a real M4 more than I used to.
 
Bassbob said:
It might also have to do with the fact that almost all the ones I’ve handled are crap. In fact, my son in law ended up with a TRI Silver Eagle break action single in 12 gauge he got in one of his wheeling and dealing trades. This was last week. So he brings it down to me to go through and function test. The internal hammer only wants to reset if you slam it shut or pull the trigger with the gun open. The problem is if you pull the trigger with the gun open and then load a shell and close the gun, as soon as you close the action it fires. 😳
The only Turkish shotgun I’ve personally had experience with that didn’t have issues is a Stoeger 20 gauge double “ coach gun” that my friend Bill owns. And even though that gun functions ok it’s still quirky. If you pull a trigger with the action open, resetting the triggers or separating the barrel from the receiver requires some process which I don’t recall exactly what now other than it’s a pain in the ass.

Then @HansGruber has a Turkinelli which after a break in/ range trip apparently functions properly. It’s worth noting though that he doesn’t hold it in anywhere near as high regard as an actual Benelli.
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"The only Turkish shotgun I’ve personally had experience with that didn’t have issues is a Stoeger 20 gauge double “ coach gun” that my friend Bill owns. And even though that gun functions ok it’s still quirky. If you pull a trigger with the action open, resetting the triggers or separating the barrel from the receiver requires some process which I don’t recall exactly what now other than it’s a pain in the ass."

I recently bought the Stoeger "Coach gun" and can agree on the "some process" of (in my case), reassembling the shotgun after I returned home with it. The problem started when the sales person pulled both triggers (in the model I had vs single trigger model), and disassembled the gun to put back in the box it came in. I tried for a good half hour to get that thing back together. The barrel(s) hooked in ok, but try as I might, I couldn't get the forend to lock in place. It was only after watching a uTube video on "problems reassembling the Stoeger Coach Gun", that it was mentioned that the hammers had to be fully cocked to get it back together. In other words, the sales person should never had pulled the triggers thus releasing the hammers that now required resetting to get it back together (he was unaware of the requirement of ensuring the cocking of the hammers before disassembly). Resetting the hammers now had it's own quirky procedure, requiring a piece of wood that you used to push each hammer separately down and back simultaneously until they each locked in to place. Afterwards, the forend easily locked into place. So the lesson learned is make sure the hammers are cocked for disassembly to ease the reassembly process.
 
BET7 said:
"The only Turkish shotgun I’ve personally had experience with that didn’t have issues is a Stoeger 20 gauge double “ coach gun” that my friend Bill owns. And even though that gun functions ok it’s still quirky. If you pull a trigger with the action open, resetting the triggers or separating the barrel from the receiver requires some process which I don’t recall exactly what now other than it’s a pain in the ass."

I recently bought the Stoeger "Coach gun" and can agree on the "some process" of (in my case), reassembling the shotgun after I returned home with it. The problem started when the sales person pulled both triggers (in the model I had vs single trigger model), and disassembled the gun to put back in the box it came in. I tried for a good half hour to get that thing back together. The barrel(s) hooked in ok, but try as I might, I couldn't get the forend to lock in place. It was only after watching a uTube video on "problems reassembling the Stoeger Coach Gun", that it was mentioned that the hammers had to be fully cocked to get it back together. In other words, the sales person should never had pulled the triggers thus releasing the hammers that now required resetting to get it back together (he was unaware of the requirement of ensuring the cocking of the hammers before disassembly). Resetting the hammers now had it's own quirky procedure, requiring a piece of wood that you used to push each hammer separately down and back simultaneously until they each locked in to place. Afterwards, the forend easily locked into place. So the lesson learned is make sure the hammers are cocked for disassembly to ease the reassembly process.
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KillerFord1977 said:
The turks know how to win over the Brits, and beyond that, I have not figured out how/why they are part of Western awe.

Linch pin pawn access for Nato to Russia is about all they are, have and will be good for
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You need to work on some new material, Jim Bob!

As long as man has been traipsing across God’s green earth - long before there was a Russia or Merica, Turkey has been the crossroads for humankind and every major civilization has seen the value and made a home there.

Remember kids - stay in school! 🎓🚌🎓🚌
 
SimonRL said:
You need to work on some new material, Jim Bob!

As long as man has been traipsing across God’s green earth - long before there was a Russia or Merica, Turkey has been the crossroads for humankind and every major civilization has seen the value and made a home there.

Remember kids - stay in school! 🎓🚌🎓🚌
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Only because the “ new world” hadn’t been discovered yet. Constantinople, the bridge between Europe and Asia. That’s why it was important. These days? Meh. According to a friend of mine who knows the big man at FN, southern Turkey has some world class sex clubs. 🙃
 
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