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The 5 Best Speer Loads Available Today

My old department uses Speer for as long as I can remember. The BEST in 9mm is Speer 147gr G2, hand down best ammo you can use in SD mode. Its hard to find and not cheap, but what is your life worth? Its FBI approved. 😉
 
RICKYs2 said:
My old department uses Speer for as long as I can remember. The BEST in 9mm is Speer 147gr G2, hand down best ammo you can use in SD mode. Its hard to find and not cheap, but what is your life worth? Its FBI approved. 😉
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Best is a very relative term when it comes to ammo.

From what I’ve seen, 147gr HST and Ranger-T smoke G2’s performance...
 
we tried the Winchester T series and the problem was weight retention, Winchester bonded worked better, but no penetration. We never tried the HST. The issue with 9mm is penetration thru angled front windshields. The 115 or 124 just bounce off or shot 3" high from point of aim. but anyway there a lot of good ammo out there
 
RICKYs2 said:
we tried the Winchester T series and the problem was weight retention, Winchester bonded worked better, but no penetration. We never tried the HST. The issue with 9mm is penetration thru angled front windshields. The 115 or 124 just bounce off or shot 3" high from point of aim. but anyway there a lot of good ammo out there
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Sorry, but...I don’t buy that “Bouncing off” bit.

I've seen, firsthand, 115gr ball go through 30° windshield glass and then punch over 24” in gel. 124gr NATO ball did the same (Weapon was a vanilla Beretta 92FS).

147hr HST and R-T would sometimes show minimal expansion, but but still got the job done, vis-a-vis penetration.
 
First we are talking about SD ammo hollow points. Yes FMJ and Nato rounds which are +P ammo will go thru front windshields. FBI switch to 40cal because that problem.
 
RICKYs2 said:
First we are talking about SD ammo hollow points. Yes FMJ and Nato rounds which are +P ammo will go thru front windshields. FBI switch to 40cal because that problem.
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Ball is actually more likely to ricochet off hard surfaces than JHP...and NATO is not a +P loading (36,500psi vs 38,500psi for +P).

And as I said, the HST and R-T 147gr performed fine through 30° windshield glass.

FBI switched to .40 from 10mm for a lot of other reasons than that, as well...capacity being first and foremost (followed by a much less expensive platform (G23 vs S&W 1076). Windshield performance was well down the list of reasons.
 
These work good
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But I’ve always been a fan of Speer
 
They can, yes...they can bounce off water if struck at just the right angle.

But bullets bouncing off windshields is not common.

Actually pressed the trigger myself in tests, don’t need to see some UToob Kommando's BS presentation.
 
Ok we are move right along. we got 9mm 124gr NATO is +p and we got you to agree that bullets do bounce off windshields. Now the last one.

FBI switched to .40 from 10mm for a lot of other reasons than that, as well...capacity being first and foremost (followed by a much less expensive platform (G23 vs S&W 1076). Windshield performance was well down the list of reasons.

First .40 and 10mm hold the same mag capacity, as a .40 cal is a shorter than a 10mm but fires the same size .40 and weight bullet 180gr. The FBI shoot out with the two bank robbers happen 2 block from my house in Pinecrest. Which started the bullet testing. At first they jump on to the 10mm, but found out that the women agents was having a hard time with recoil and following up on double tap. Glock tried to jump on the band wagon with G20 but doing work out. Years later with all test on the new 9mm projectiles. They switch back to 9mm and in all there test found the Speer 9mm G2 best for there needs. google it

So back to the subject my vote goes to the Seers G2 9mm
 
RICKYs2 said:
Ok we are move right along. we got 9mm 124gr NATO is +p and we got you to agree that bullets do bounce off windshields. Now the last one.

FBI switched to .40 from 10mm for a lot of other reasons than that, as well...capacity being first and foremost (followed by a much less expensive platform (G23 vs S&W 1076). Windshield performance was well down the list of reasons.

First .40 and 10mm hold the same mag capacity, as a .40 cal is a shorter than a 10mm but fires the same size .40 and weight bullet 180gr. The FBI shoot out with the two bank robbers happen 2 block from my house in Pinecrest. Which started the bullet testing. At first they jump on to the 10mm, but found out that the women agents was having a hard time with recoil and following up on double tap. Glock tried to jump on the band wagon with G20 but doing work out. Years later with all test on the new 9mm projectiles. They switch back to 9mm and in all there test found the Speer 9mm G2 best for there needs. google it

So back to the subject my vote goes to the Seers G2 9mm
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Wrong across the board.

The S&W 1076-the FBI’s main 10mm choice-holds 9 rounds (single stack. Wanna debate this? I have one in my safe—have you even seen one?). The Glock 23 holds 13 rounds of .40 (I believe the Sig P229 was also an option, which has a capacity of 12rds in .40).

Second, also wrong about female agents not handling the recoil. This is an ignorant, sexist myth that just keeps on going because clueless people keep parroting it. The full power loading for 10mm was never considered an option from the get go; they used a downloaded “FBI Load”—a 180gr bullet at around 950fps—sound familiar? Because you don’t hear about female agents having trouble the the 180gr .40 load that is identical in performance to it.
There were a couple of agents that had trouble with the longer trigger of the 1076, so they were given 1086’s, and qualified just fine...but the problem was the platform, not the load.
 
The 10mm was in fact selected by the FBI in part of the great power the 10mm produces. The recoil, not just for females but several agents across the board was indeed to much which is why they went to the .40S&W. The 10mm which Col. Cooper had a great love for and helped design was introduced in 1983 while the .40 S&W didn’t “come out” till 1990. Which pistol got carried has nothing to do with what ammo got shot. I have 180gr loads that are in now way comparable to 180gr 40S&W
 
BangBang said:
The 10mm was in fact selected by the FBI in part of the great power the 10mm produces. The recoil, not just for females but several agents across the board was indeed to much which is why they went to the .40S&W. The 10mm which Col. Cooper had a great love for and helped design was introduced in 1983 while the .40 S&W didn’t “come out” till 1990. Which pistol got carried has nothing to do with what ammo got shot. I have 180gr loads that are in now way comparable to 180gr 40S&W
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Sorry, but that’s just not true.

The FBI never considered the full power, 200gr/1300fps loading in 10mm—and it was never issued for training or street use. The wanted a round that duplicated the 185gr .45 (considered one of the best rounds on the street at the time)...hence the “FBI Load”—180gr@950fps. The .40 loading they switched to had identical performance to their 10mm loading (And, considering that the pistols they switched to were lighter than the all-steel 1076’s, would have MORE recoil, not less).

Quotes from someone who was there:

This testing resulting in the FBI’s adoption of the 10mm round, downloaded to about 950 fps, using a Sierra 180-grain jacketed hollowpoint. The long round, however, required a very large frame pistol. Adopted was the Smith & Wesson Model 1076.

And:

The Bureau would later issue Glocks in .40 S&W caliber, with basically the same ballistics as the FBI handloaded 10mm.

Source:
gundigest.com

10mm Handguns and the FBI

The FBI’s brief dalliance with 10mm handguns led to the development of the .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge, and experts are still divided on the question of the 10mm’s application for law enforcement.
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