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The ATF is at it again

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I just received my first "Take Action" from the GOA and responded. Please take a read and respond if concerned about this (it doesn't appear that you have to be a GOA member to respond).

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ATF trying to facilitate gun registration | GOA

Tell ATF That You Oppose the New Regulations ATF Proposes Step to Make a National Gun Registry Easier The ATF has issued new rules that will alter the format for Form 4473’s and make it easier to create a national gun registry. Here’s what we know. ATF agents have used annual inspections to...
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Associated articles that were link inside this "Take Action" alert request.

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Background Checks, Registration & Confiscation | GOA

Background Checks, Registration & Confiscation “Confiscation could be an option.” — Gov. Andrew Cuomo (New York Times, 1/09/13) 1. ATF illegally copying 4473 forms * ATF using digital scanners. “ATF has been copying FFL Bound Books for years — with or without FFL permission. During annual...
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appendix for proposals | GOA

APPENDIX A Sampling of Individual Testimonies Regarding ATF Copying of 4473s NOTE: All the names, addresses and dates below are redacted, in compliance with the wishes of those GOA members who forwarded their testimonies to us. Dear GOA: I am a gun dealer. Recently the [ATF] agents have...
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Yea, I got an email last night about this......didn’t think a national gun registry was allowed, but lots of things ain’t allowed, but its done anyway. It’s always something going on here anymore, need to respond to this with the GOA link and speak your mind.
 
Annihilator said:
Yea, I got an email last night about this......didn’t think a national gun registry was allowed, but lots of things ain’t allowed, but its done anyway. It’s always something going on here anymore, need to respond to this with the GOA link and speak your mind.
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From what I understand from reading the linked articles, the ATF can only record the form 4473 information for a criminal investigation. They can audit it to make sure it's correctly filled out, but I don't think they can record the information and walk out with it. I use to work in an Insurance IT department and was occasionally lead point for outside audits that occurred as regular compliance. I don't think it would be legal for Price Waterhouse Cooper, to say they wanted copies to keep of proprietary computer code or a list of all policy holders, which I think would be a privacy issue and concern.
 
I cannot speak to all firearms dealers, but I worked asset protection for the largest retailer in america for a bunch of years. They kept all completed 4473 forms in a locked closet for 7 years.

If anyone thinks the FBI isn't keeping track of your background checks, you are living in a fantasy world.
 
Grifter said:
I cannot speak to all firearms dealers, but I worked asset protection for the largest retailer in america for a bunch of years. They kept all completed 4473 forms in a locked closet for 7 years.

If anyone thinks the FBI isn't keeping track of your background checks, you are living in a fantasy world.
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I'm not disputing that, but this sounds like the ATF is additionally coming in as a guise of an audit and then either downloading electronically, taking pictures or recording all these forms for their keeping, in addition to any records kept during the actually NICS check at time of purpose. It doesn't seem legal from what I understand.
 
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