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US Army Set To Procure 30,000 Next Generation Squad Weapons in 2023

Talyn

Talyn

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The US Army is yet to officially announce the winner(s) of the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) program but we know how many weapons they’ll be ordering between October 2022 and September 2023.

US Army Set To Procur Next Generation Squad Weapons in 2023

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NGSW- Rifles: Textron upper - Sig lower

Sig for the Win!

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NGSW Update: More Details on the SIG Sauer-U.S. Army Contract

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That’s actually too bad.

Going bullpup would have actually been future-leaning, not just business as usual.
 
As both an AUG & AR-type owner and was able to check out the civi version of the proposed Sig rifle, operating the Sig would be seamless for anyone used to the AR-type. Having two manual-of-arms for troopers to be proficient isn't logical.

Bullpups aren't as future-leaning as one may think since the bullpup concept has been out there for the last 60+ years in various designs, of which really only the AUG has been the most successful and used by several countries. Others designs have really only seen niche usage.

Plus, Sig is an established manufacturer whereas the Velocity Co. isn't, and the latter design has changed hands at least 3X this last year.

The Sig ammo is more compatible with existing ammo manufacturing compared to the polymer cased proposal.

Plus, I've heard there's been issues with the Velocity proposal.

My .02
 
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KillerFord1977 said:
True, but that is one very Fugly Bullpup
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HansGruber said:
Fuggly? So what.

Function over form.
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if we were to ask, 2/3rds of wives, here why they married the guys here..???

the wives would say for "function, cuz a woman can change form".

except my wife, she said i was perfect in every way

in the end, the gun that performs the best and can get the bidding won, will be what they get.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
I have some trepidation over a start up bullpup in a new caliber reliably working properly out of the gate.
I’m thinking M-16 birth in Vietnam part 2
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Those issues were entirely attributable to 1) powder designed for max efficiency in cool/cold (European) environments and 2) a training regimen that stressed ZERO MAINTENANCE was required on the platform.

Once these two issues were dealt with, the M16 worked like gangbusters. In fact no other cartridge rifle platform has lasted as long in US military service.
 
On the subject of bullpups:

You never know what sweeping change or other new idea can come from an idea… (not that bullpups have swept anything; I meant that as a generalization).
I first started reading about bullpups in the 1980s when Britain adopted the SA-80. The French already had their FAMAS of course.
One thing that cropped up in almost all early writings I saw was that it “could replace the need for SMGs” (submachine guns; and presumably carbines) in the inventory. That was a fairly major driver in the trend.
But the squad automatic weapon is in an entirely opposite direction.
Just sayin’.
 
TidalWave said:
On the subject of bullpups:

You never know what sweeping change or other new idea can come from an idea… (not that bullpups have swept anything; I meant that as a generalization).
I first started reading about bullpups in the 1980s when Britain adopted the SA-80. The French already had their FAMAS of course.
One thing that cropped up in almost all early writings I saw was that it “could replace the need for SMGs” (submachine guns; and presumably carbines) in the inventory. That was a fairly major driver in the trend.
But the squad automatic weapon is in an entirely opposite direction.
Just sayin’.
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The AUG was earlier than both (1977?).

And the Brits considered a bullpup over the FAL/L1A1 in the 1950’s.

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The British Army Almost Got a Bullpup Rifle Back in the Early 1950s

Politics killed off the early, compact designs
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TidalWave said:
You’re correct of course, and I almost mentioned Steyr. But my overall point involved the original thought(s) behind the advantages of bullpups. Not really being applicable to the squad firepower weapon…
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The AUG has a LMG variant; I actually have one of the 24” barrels…

And a dozen 42rd mags.
 
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