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USA TODAY: Police Killed 1300 in 2023

I question the numbers, but the numbers are far fewer than would be if not for emergency services. It is not surprising that the numbers are higher where lawless, violent subcultures are involved

 
Almost lost me at USA Today. But, I'll give it a try knowing that they are a bunch of leftist spin monkeys. Got as far as "Tennessee, the shooting of an environmental activist who was protesting the construction of a police and fire training center near Atlanta ". Hey, USA Today you shoot at the police they shoot back. Maybe if we weren't such good sportsmen practicing catch and release, there wouldn't be as many self-entitled can get away with anything dirt bags that need shooting.
 
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I'll say that IF the numbers are correct then USAtoday needs to put all the facts into the post! Why not? Well reason being it wouldn't be a story! If not the whole truth, it's a lie! How about a story on how many LEO'S were shot by the people stupid enough to do it! If it's 1, it's 2 to many!
 
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Almost lost me at USA Today. But, I'll give it a try knowing that they are a bunch of leftist spin monkeys. Got as far as "Tennessee, the shooting of an environmental activist who was protesting the construction of a police and fire training center near Atlanta ". Hey, USA Today you shoot at the police they shoot back. Maybe if we weren't such good sportsmen practicing catch and release, there wouldn't be as many self-entitled can get away with anything dirt bags that need shooting.
They’re shooting at us, well shoot back.
 

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When these studies list names and then “click here to see Al victims “ I am skeptical.

Being involved with LE Tfainjng all the stats we got through FLETC and state Agencies out the number around 500-600 a year and about 2,200-2.700 suspects shot.

I’m also sure like many “gun death” studies the group conducting it is including the ones that commit suicide while barricaded or when police arrive as “Police involved”

I know Indianapolis PD had a rise this year with around 19-20 Officer Involved shootings and I believe all but a couple were fatal for the bad guy.

So I say that 1,100 or 1,300 (I’ve seen both thrown around) is way inflated.
 
In my many years in LE, I was repeatedly impressed, or even astounded, at the degree of restraint officers use to avoid having to use deadly force, often at their own peril. Now and again a Tackleberry gets through screening but the selection process normally weeds them out.

I have no illusions-sometimes officers make mistakes with tragic outcomes, but it is such a rare occurrence as to be statistically insignificant.

So here is the reality of it. Some criminals die while resisting or in custody due to pre-existing medical conditions or substance induced altered states.

Some of these individuals die in "suicide by cop" scenarios. Some die of suicide rather than being taken into custody, or had planned suicide before committing the crime that brought attention from LE.

Some die resisting arrest by direct action by the police after directing violence at the police or others. A good number of those were mentally ill and posed a threat to the community at large. Some die by indirect means, such as a car crash in a pursuit or other misfortune. I recall one in particular where the suspect jumped the railing of a bridge thinking he was jumping into water but there were only large rocks.

We have in this country several subcultures whose primary means of resolving differences is violence. Where criminal acumen and capacity for violence are valued traits. Often from fatherless homes with no positive role models and zero impulse control. Where obtaining things or wealth by legitimate means never enters their thinking. Programmed from infancy to resist law enforcement and defy authority, and to embrace lawlessness. And some are just predators by their nature.

So along comes Officer Dogood, charged with protecting lives and property, preventing crimes, and arresting evildoers. Trying to thread the maze of law and policy to apprehend criminals and keep order. It is a built-in ignition point for violence when Officer Dogood and members of the violent subcultures come in contact wth one another. We arm and train the officers and expect them to go about their duties without beng intimidated. While it may be prudent to run away at times, our system of laws consistently holds that an officer need not retreat from the lawful performance of his or her duty. The criminal subcultures do not like that LEO's will pursue their wrongdoing with impunty. So when they get thumped, or shot when resisting, they play the race card, or police brutality card. Or riot and burn down cities.

The truth is that, if we eliminate killings within and by these subculures, our violent crime stats would be among the lowest in the world, and by extension police killings would plummet.

That's the view from my saddle.
 
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In my many years in LE, I was repeatedly impressed, or even astounded, at the degree of restraint officers use to avoid having to use deadly force, often at their own peril. Now and again a Tackleberry gets through screening but the selection process normally weeds them out.

I have no illusions-sometimes officers make mistakes with tragic outcomes, but it is such a rare occurrence as to be statistically insignificant.

So here is the reality of it. Some criminals die while resisting or in custody due to pre-existing medical conditions or substance induced altered states.

Some of these individuals die in "suicide by cop" scenarios. Some die of suicide rather than being taken into custody, or had planned suicide before committing the crime that brought attention from LE.

Some die resisting arrest by direct action by the police after directing violence at the police or others. A good number of those were mentally ill and posed a threat to the community at large. Some die by indirect means, such as a car crash in a pursuit or other misfortune. I recall one in particular where the suspect jumped the railing of a bridge thinking he was jumping into water but there were only large rocks.

We have in this country several subcultures whose primary means of resolving differences is violence. Where criminal acumen and capacity for violence are valued traits. Often from fatherless homes with no positive role models and zero impulse control. Where obtaining things or wealth by legitimate means never enters their thinking. Programmed from infancy to resist law enforcement and defy authority, and to embrace lawlessness. Nd some are just predators by their nature.

So along comes Officer Dogood, charged with protecting lives and property, preventing crimes, and arresting evildoers. Trying to thread the maze of law and policy to apprehend criminals and keep order. It is a built in ignition point for violence when Officer Dogood and members of the violent subcultures come in contact wth one another. We arm and train the officers and expect them to go about their duties without beng intimidated. While it may be prudent to run away at times, our system of laws consistently holds that an officer need not retreat from the lawful performance of his or her duty. The criminal subcultures do not like that LEO's will pursue their wrongdoing with impunty. So when they get thumped, or shot when resisting, they play the race card, or police brutality card. Or riot and burn down cities.

The truth is that, if we eliminate killings within and by these subculures, our violent crime stats would be among the lowest in the world, and by extension police killings would plummet.

That's the view from my saddle.
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does seem low, but i do applaud the leo that can solve the issue without having to kill the person
yes its sometimes no choice, but even for them...once that bullet leaves the safety of the magazine it changes everything
so for the good and some for the bad
 
Hmmm, where is the stat that shows how many victims of violent crime were killed by crooks, thugs, and scumbags. I'm betting once we see that number there will be some who opine that the police didn't shoot enough of them.
 
does seem low, but i do applaud the leo that can solve the issue without having to kill the person
yes its sometimes no choice, but even for them...once that bullet leaves the safety of the magazine it changes everything
so for the good and some for the bad
Numbers should be higher- TN v Garner
 
If you think there are countervaling facts, then go find them. Don't just assume your guess is right.

I spent a year riding in the right seat of a cruiser, 40 hours a week. Almost all of the officers I worked with would have no trouble believing these numbers.
 
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