Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “V-22 Osprey: Helicopter That Identifies as an Airplane” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/v-22-osprey/.
V-22 Osprey: Helicopter That Identifies as an Airplane
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Talyn
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The article glosses over the V-22 "issues".
The USN made a mistake when they selected a variant for the COD role, and now has had to bring the C-2A back in to supplement longer-range COD missions to the CVNs.
www.twz.com
A S-3 COD version would have been a better choice.
And the US has plans to essentially rebuild the V-22, costing $Bs USD to keep it viable.
www.defensenews.com
The USN made a mistake when they selected a variant for the COD role, and now has had to bring the C-2A back in to supplement longer-range COD missions to the CVNs.
Navy CMV-22B Ospreys Only Allowed To Fly 30 Minutes From A Divert Airfield: Congress
The flight limit means the Navy’s CMV-22Bs cannot perform their critical transport mission for carriers on deployment.
www.twz.com
A S-3 COD version would have been a better choice.
And the US has plans to essentially rebuild the V-22, costing $Bs USD to keep it viable.
V-22 Osprey could see second life, with new drive system, wings in 2050s
The V-22 could see a second chapter, if the services keep the fuselages beyond the 2050s and give them new wings and drive systems to extend their lives.
www.defensenews.com
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USMC6094
Custom
If you guys only knew..............
If you heard just a little of this things actual performance, you'd wonder what the hell the DOD was thinking when it bought them........
But it's another case of WAY TOO MUCH MONEY and TIME spent in development, maintenance data being doctored, covering up the $#!+ show the bird actually is.
If you heard just a little of this things actual performance, you'd wonder what the hell the DOD was thinking when it bought them........
But it's another case of WAY TOO MUCH MONEY and TIME spent in development, maintenance data being doctored, covering up the $#!+ show the bird actually is.
Being long out of uniform but not out of .mil training areas there is one quality of the Osprey I'm comfortable with based on prior service (in two campaigns in VN, one of them in an Air Cav Sqn.) as well as years near military bases. Buried in there are 15 years with a office about a mile off the end of runway 24R at MCAS Miramar & time servicing the hospital at Camp Pendleton.
I still get training area flights from Seymour Johnson AFB, MCAS New River & a few others, including training flights with CH-47's (which I heard plenty of back in the day). I'm also next to a "Robin Sage" exercise area.
On a couple of occasions have had "packages" of V-22's approach at low level in horizontal flight mode at ~500' AGL. No transition. The difference is how fast these things are when they approach and overfly you. The MD500 excepted, the noise of any military helicopter from Blackhawk up is detectable miles & at least a minute away, often more. Plenty of time for troops on the ground to grab a rifle, man a AA weapon or take other actions. This is not the case with a V-22. The blades are loud when they get close, but they get close with little time to react. They sound qualitatively different of course but you have MUCH less time to react before it's there and gone. I have not been present for one during transition or landing but in a tactical flyover you don't have a lot of time to respond.
I still get training area flights from Seymour Johnson AFB, MCAS New River & a few others, including training flights with CH-47's (which I heard plenty of back in the day). I'm also next to a "Robin Sage" exercise area.
On a couple of occasions have had "packages" of V-22's approach at low level in horizontal flight mode at ~500' AGL. No transition. The difference is how fast these things are when they approach and overfly you. The MD500 excepted, the noise of any military helicopter from Blackhawk up is detectable miles & at least a minute away, often more. Plenty of time for troops on the ground to grab a rifle, man a AA weapon or take other actions. This is not the case with a V-22. The blades are loud when they get close, but they get close with little time to react. They sound qualitatively different of course but you have MUCH less time to react before it's there and gone. I have not been present for one during transition or landing but in a tactical flyover you don't have a lot of time to respond.
Talyn
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Congress still waiting on Osprey crash, safety documents from Pentagon
Lawmakers haven't received more details on Osprey proprotor gearboxes, a component that was a factor in the 2023 crash off Japan that killed eight airmen.
www.militarytimes.com
Osprey fleet won’t return to full flight operations until 2025
The U.S. military's V-22 Osprey enterprise will be slow to return to full operations as a wide-ranging review of its training and resources continues.
www.defensenews.com
Talyn
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After Deadly Crashes, New 'Leading Theory' on Osprey Issues Points to Sprag Clutches
After more than a dozen MV-22 Osprey incidents involving what is known as a hard clutch engagement, or HCE, military officials now say that they have finally made progress in understanding the deadly issue.
SFC Coody USA (ret)
Alpha
Just in my unsolicited opinion (ignorance?), this airborne nightmare is a troop killer. It was/is a solution looking for a problem.
Son in law is retired Army, ran around with a little group called the Nightstalkers, they did just fine with Blackhawk and Chinook.
BassCliff
Professional
Hi,
Wow. That's one complicated piece of hardware. It's got too many points of failure requiring so much maintenance. How can you make that simple, robust, and bullet proof? I'm not sure it's worth it. And that's my profound glimpse into the obvious for today.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Wow. That's one complicated piece of hardware. It's got too many points of failure requiring so much maintenance. How can you make that simple, robust, and bullet proof? I'm not sure it's worth it. And that's my profound glimpse into the obvious for today.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
They (helicopters) do just fine within their envelope for range and speed, important considerations for any systems. Eagle Claw (RH-53's) leaps to mind as an argument for alternative technology.
Talyn
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Lessons from the Harrier
In 1982, when I received my wings and was selected to fly the AV-8A Harrier, the aircraft had a reputation of being not just difficult, but dangerous to fly.
Talyn
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CV-22 Osprey Crash In Japan Was Caused By Gearbox Failure
An accident investigation board has released its findings into the fatal crash of a CV-22 off the Japanese coast last year. An accident investigation board has released its findings into the fatal crash of a CV-22 off the Japanese coast last year.
www.twz.com
Talyn
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Gear cracks, pilot decision led to Japan Osprey crash, Air Force says
An investigation found a deadly Osprey crash resulted from pinion gear cracks and the pilot's decision to keep flying instead of heeding landing warnings.
www.militarytimes.com
Blackfeather
Custom
One flew over the house yesterday afternoon... they sure sound different from the Blackhawk and occasional Chinook that fly over my place.
Talyn
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Flaw in Osprey Gears Was Known a Decade Prior to Deadly Japan Crash, Internal Report Shows
The revelations about the history of the gear problems come as family members from the Japan crash, as well as families of Marines who died in a 2022 V-22 Osprey training crash in California, are seeking legal representation.