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What's the Deal?

C. Sumpin

C. Sumpin

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With all this talk about which diet of ammo will work with this type/make/calibre firearm and which will not?
Why have we come to accept/expect such finicky combinations of what will/will not work in which firearms?
Has it always been this way (Personally don't recall many years past) of such high incidences of malfunctions/issues with arms/ammo.
Is it firearms tolerances/function/quality or ammo tolerances/function/quality, or both?
Guess it's too old school to expect that any firearm should consume most if not all commercially produced ammo with only an occasional malfunction? Understandable that high precision equipment/tolerances/design and such things as brass vs. other can cause issues but why the myriad feeding/malfunction problems we experience today? Lastly, which producer of ammo has the least amount of issues across the spectrum of arms produced today?
 
I think today it’s more of a quality control issue, back in the 70’s and 80’s I hardly ever heard of these issues like I do now, also, personally, I think it’s also do the the internet, you know chat rooms, forums and now social media, if one person has an issue they can’t wait to get on social media and blast the ammo maker, then others join right in.
 
I could be more of accuracy than function? With the explosion of ARs (in a good way) and more imported ammo for those guns it has become more of an issue! Low pressure, light primer strikes and dimensional problems are to norm for imported ammo. I've had more issues with R-P headstamp (Remington) ammo in both pistol and rifle (AR).
 
Thanks for bringing up the sometimes ammo issues C.S.
Am thinking, uh oh, smoke? Call the fire department again? :) That it's likely a compound issue, a combination and variety of factors and it isn't just with ammo and firearms. Basically, tolerances are possibly off in some ammo and firearms. Too tight can lead to issues as well as too sloppy tolerances.

Like with what used to be the difference between US and foreign vehicle mfg's and is possibly reversed now days?

Example: Older US vehicles generally had power to spare more durability and more in reserve power when produced, many foreign vehicles were maxed out on many things other than sometimes weight when delivered and could be very finicky and prone to failure because of it. Precision can be a blessing or a curse. So can weight when it's reduced for shipping and pricing concerns in that example. Durability can sometimes suffer because of it.

Different rules, standards and measurements can lead to issues and usually does? Suspect there's sometimes QC issues too, possibly when only greed and speed are forefront reasons used for producing many things? An example: Over competitiveness can kill many games for everyone when only one side has all the marbles or pieces? Most games played are better off when things are more evenly balanced. That includes speed, durability, quality and price.

And, possibly more awareness and communication changes because of some things being more front and center now days? Older rules and guidelines have changed in some areas, sometimes for the better and sometimes not so much when it's just for the sake of change or a feather in someone's bonnet and isn't generally a good thing in long terms. Things can be more easily broadcast now than years ago. A blessing and a curse?

For example, many things like international or local news are more openly available before many filtering thoughts or deeds for whatever reason can set in or be used in mere seconds verses minutes or longer. That can lead to both good and not so much with issues and results. But, cards played may be out in the open? That too can lead to creating or solving other issues? An example: Kids can upset many balances too because of their lack of good understanding and sometimes a more well rounded experience gained over years. Good or bad, the old words of "kids should be seen, but not heard" may come to mind for some of us? Might be good reasoning behind that old saying?
 
I think it is better today than yesterday except for prices. Many pistols didn't like hollow points, but today they generally feed most. I do have guns that prefer specific OAL such as several Lightning pumps and '92 levers, but my modern pistols are not finnicky except for a Baby Rock which doesn't like blunt shaped ogives.
 
youngolddude said:
I think it is better today than yesterday except for prices. Many pistols didn't like hollow points, but today they generally feed most. I do have guns that prefer specific OAL such as several Lightning pumps and '92 levers, but my modern pistols are not finicky except for a Baby Rock which doesn't like blunt shaped ogives.
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Can reflect, about same experience. Semi auto's are usually more finicky in this direction.
 
Only ammo I’ve had issues with in anything is a couple of my .45s don’t like Hornady CD. Never had an issue in anything using HST.

Of course if you’re shooting cheap steel in your AR-15 it’s reasonable to expect problems. And anything Fiocci makes is garbage.
 
Bassbob said:
Only ammo I’ve had issues with in anything is a couple of my .45s don’t like Hornady CD. Never had an issue in anything using HST.

Of course if you’re shooting cheap steel in your AR-15 it’s reasonable to expect problems. And anything Fiocci makes is garbage.
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Fiocci has run perfect in my m&p 9mm core and g17.
 
For various small manufacturers and re-man vendors, it's their QA/QC that's most suspect.

In terms of random unique issues such as recalls for major manufacturers - I think some of that has to do with just how much they pump out, and how much pressure consumer/contract demands have put on them. The last time I saw this much reported issues, it was towards the tail end of the 2008-2012 craziness. It got to the point where shooters sponsored by certain brands were telling their students and friends to avoid that particular brand.... Once supply caught back up and demand eased, the problems ceased, too.

In terms of unique-gun (i.e. that particular serial number) to unique-ammo issues, that's just tolerance stacking. I've *_always_* been taught to vet my guns -particularly those for serious use- with the type of ammo that I'm expecting to use. Variability in terms of lot-to-lot is even possible, and this is just a very small bit of homework/due-diligence which could have critical implications.
 
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