Domar1291
Master Class
I watch his channel regularly but can't recall which video, u would have to just watch all the ones with him and Ken over the last month or so. I don't run 10mm but love 1911s you could also email wilson and ask them
10mm TRP jamming issues
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RickAnderson
Custom
What are using to lube the pistol, have you checked its temperature recommendation? Its very unlikely 50°F would be out range for most, if not all, firearm lubes.... ...so not likely, but at the same time, it costs nothing to look up the specs on the lube you're using...
Did you try sliding the round up the breech face against the extractor, like when the slide feeds the round, the resistance should go up just a barely noticeable amount. From the sounds of it, it's unlikely that is the problem if the tension is as low as it is. Possibly a bent extractor out of position, but it doesn't sound like it, if the force goes up a lot while sliding the butt of the round up the breech face, as it forces the extractor back, perhaps something is wrong with the extractor, other than tension...
When you have the jam, can you get the slide to go into battery by simply pressing the back of the slide with a thumb or finger? That is often the slide hanging up or the recoil spring is too weak... ....I had a pistol jamming from too much extractor tension, it was 50/50 getting a jamb to go into battery with just a light thumb press, sometimes the round would jam in the mouth of the chamber so hard, I had to eject it and reload it, other times, just a little extra force and it would go into battery... ...I installed a stronger recoil spring and took off more extractor tension it now feeds reliably...
Talyn is suggesting the recoil spring, which sounds like a good suggestion to me...
A "conventional" recoil spring only last 2k rounds in a .45ACP, with plenty of accounts of them needing replaced in as little as 1k rounds, and 10mm having more recoil than .45ACP makes sense the recoil spring would last even less than the .45ACP...
RickAnderson
Custom
The round being feed would have a tiny bit of friction on the next round in the magazine, dropping the magazine would remove that friction.... ....Or something could be wrong with magazines or its retention, getting it out of position and the slide is hitting the magazine as it closes...That was why I was suggesting trying to push the slide into battery with your thumb when it hangs up, if it goes into battery with very little force every time, that sounds like a weak recoil spring...
So unless something went wrong with the magazines or the mag release mechanism, that the slide is now contacting the magazine, it is sounding like the slide is just falling short of enough force to close it into battery....
You could disassemble your magazines and remove the follower and just insert the empty tube in the pistol and then work the slide back and forth, see if the slide hangs up magazine tube/feed lips being out of place....
tandun33
Alpha
Yeah it doesn’t take much effort to move the slide. Would it make sense to swap to a full length guide rod with a new recoil spring?
That was why I was suggesting trying to push the slide into battery with your thumb when it hangs up, if it goes into battery with very little force every time, that sounds like a weak recoil spring...
So unless something went wrong with the magazines or the mag release mechanism, that the slide is now contacting the magazine, it is sounding like the slide is just falling short of enough force to close it into battery....
You could disassemble your magazines and remove the follower and just insert the empty tube in the pistol and then work the slide back and forth, see if the slide hangs up magazine tube/feed lips being out of place....
RickAnderson
Custom
A new recoil spring is cheap enough, I'd say just order one and try it, see if it fixes it...
Let me add, with my hand built 80% frame 1911, that cut the rails for a particularly tight slide with very little clearance, I found over lubing the rails, even with oil for the low temps I was using it, caused the slide to drag and short stroke... ...this slide is much tighter than any other production slide I have seen, and I have concluded to tight, if I use to much oil and the weather is cool enough to thicken it a little or some carbon mixes in the oil and thickens it even in warm weather, my slide will short stroke.... ....so look at that also, if you have a slide so tight that it has no perceptible play when heavily lubed, that might be the same problem as mine... BTW, wiping my rails down to just barely a film left on the rails, it works flawlessly on that tight slide...
I have absolutely no experience with alternate recoil spring systems in the 1911....
Other than trying the Colt Dual Spring system (its pretty much the same as the old system, just a little narrower guide rod to fit the inner spring that goes inside the outer spring....
Or the Wilson Combat Flat Spring recoil spring, which also requires a narrower guide rod....
The manufacturers will only claim the dual spring and flat spring will last much longer than the conventional coil spring... ...some say it reduces felt recoil slightly.... ....others say it doesn't... ...I "think" I feel a little less recoil, but without a way to actual measure, I totally admit I am likely feeling what I want to believe I'm feeling and there is likely no difference...
The downside of the narrower guide rod for the dual spring or flat spring; during re-assembly, inserting the spring and trying to get it on the guide rod is near impossible, being narrower it always falls off axis and won't line up with the spring....
...But its easy to adapt, just install the bushing on the barrel and spring on the guide rod before you re-install the slide on the frame, and it goes together just as fast and just easy...
Wilson Combat sells the flat spring with the guide rod as a kit, for like $20, the colt dual spring I got off brownell's and its always out of stock as well as the guide rod that has to be purchased separately, I had to back order them and wait months.. ...at the same time the wilson combat guide rod is the same dimensions as the colt, i.e. you can substitute it with the Colt Dual Spring... ...so if you're so inclined, these options are only a few bucks more, and still plenty cheap, at the worst, you get a spring that last many times longer than the conventional spring....
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Pitdogg2
Professional
I recently bought a Kimber Rapide in 10mm. It did not come with a full length guide rod like many of their other .45/10mm models. I prefer a full length guide rod so I purchased one from MidwayUSA along with my two Wilson magazines. I can tell you definitively that with or without the guide rod it is not the easiest slide to chamber a round. My guess would be it has an 18-20 spring in it. Although I'm still in the process of breaking it in(only 200rds) with or without the guide rod it has 12x failed to chamber a round. Most of that is the very first round out of the magazine, a few were third or fifth rounds. It absolutely has no problem clearing the round from the chamber. It bounces them off the range wall and they scatter 7 booths down from me. I collect my brass to save being the only one on the range it was easy to discern how far they were going.
If yours is that easy to rack or move the slide a new recoil spring is cheap to try in the grand scheme of things. I still find it hard to believe you would need one so soon but who knows anything is possible.
RickAnderson
Custom
Does the magazine spring bind when you load it to full capacity or insert a fully loaded magazine into a pistol with closed slide?
I have 1911 8 rnd magazine the spring binds when you try to insert it on a closed slide, I have to butt it with the heal of my hand to get it to seat, I have mag base plate extenders on a XD-M .45 magazines, that will bind when inserting on a closed slide, so bad I can't even slap them in to seat in a closed slide....
The binding will ruin the spring in the magazine an cause feed problems, but first you'll see problems feeding the first round when the spring is bound up....
I still use these magazines, but now I either load them one round less or only insert them on an open slide if they are loaded to full capacity...
I have 1911 8 rnd magazine the spring binds when you try to insert it on a closed slide, I have to butt it with the heal of my hand to get it to seat, I have mag base plate extenders on a XD-M .45 magazines, that will bind when inserting on a closed slide, so bad I can't even slap them in to seat in a closed slide....
The binding will ruin the spring in the magazine an cause feed problems, but first you'll see problems feeding the first round when the spring is bound up....
I still use these magazines, but now I either load them one round less or only insert them on an open slide if they are loaded to full capacity...