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Bloodknight

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Never been shy asking about things I feel I need to know.I figure this is the place,because we seem to have a wealth of knowledge here.Ive been using a kimber solo as a conceal carry.The kimber people recomended 124 or 147 grain ammo. I keep federal premium HST 147 grain in stock.Iunderstand some people wont use 147 grain because of over penetration.Who uses what and why ? Sold the kimber solo 6+1 for a hellcat 13&15.Why 95 grain ? or 100. I use nothing but hollow points. My springfield AR pistol (saint) I use hornaday Black 75 grain.
 
Bloodknight said:
Never been shy asking about things I feel I need to know.I figure this is the place,because we seem to have a wealth of knowledge here.Ive been using a kimber solo as a conceal carry.The kimber people recomended 124 or 147 grain ammo. I keep federal premium HST 147 grain in stock.Iunderstand some people wont use 147 grain because of over penetration.Who uses what and why ? Sold the kimber solo 6+1 for a hellcat 13&15.Why 95 grain ? or 100. I use nothing but hollow points. My springfield AR pistol (saint) I use hornaday Black 75 grain.
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I’m not quite sure why you think a 147gr bullet—particularly HST—will overpenetrate where a lighter JHP wouldn’t, given equal expansion, etc, etc.

In fact, 147gr 9mm is my preferred bullet weight in defensive loads in most of my pistols.

I won’t consider the 95&100 gr bullets—those are for .380’s, not 9x19. 115 is as light as I go.
 
I use 147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2 for this reason. The sentence below was pointed out to me from an article titled why bullet size matters, from an attorney that is used exclusively by our State Patrol when defending against officer involved shootings.

"The 2014 FBI Training Division Report stated that the FBI had chosen the 9mm bullet (147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2) for FBI agents to carry because, “The 9mm provides struggling shooters the best chance of success while improving the speed and accuracy of the most skilled shooters.”

Although it specifically states the FBI he told me that it is standard issue in many police units as well. The reason he recommends that particular bullet is if you are ever taken to trial for a defensive shooting case, one of the questions that will most probably put out to the jury would be a question of what bullet you used and why after making the 147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2 sound like the evil stepson of the atomic bomb. The simple answer is "it is standard police issue so I figured if they recommended it to keep police officer safe, I followed that recommendation to keep myself safe"
 
BreakingWind said:
I use 147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2 for this reason. The sentence below was pointed out to me from an article titled why bullet size matters, from an attorney that is used exclusively by our State Patrol when defending against officer involved shootings.

"The 2014 FBI Training Division Report stated that the FBI had chosen the 9mm bullet (147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2) for FBI agents to carry because, “The 9mm provides struggling shooters the best chance of success while improving the speed and accuracy of the most skilled shooters.”

Although it specifically states the FBI he told me that it is standard issue in many police units as well. The reason he recommends that particular bullet is if you are ever taken to trial for a defensive shooting case, one of the questions that will most probably put out to the jury would be a question of what bullet you used and why after making the 147 grain Speer Gold Dot G2 sound like the evil stepson of the atomic bomb. The simple answer is "it is standard police issue so I figured if they recommended it to keep police officer safe, I followed that recommendation to keep myself safe"
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So is Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, Winchester Ranger-T, Remington Golden Saber…
 
HansGruber said:
So is Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty, Winchester Ranger-T, Remington Golden Saber…
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The FBI being a Federal Organization bought millions of dollars worth under contract and distributed to their agents throughout the country. As far as police units are concerned I didn't say "ALL" police units I said "MANY" because states make their own contracts although many follow the recommendations based on published reports of tests that have been performed by other law enforcement agencies instead of reinventing the wheel. That was standard issue for our State Patrol when I was talking to him.
 
Bloodknight said:
Never been shy asking about things I feel I need to know.I figure this is the place,because we seem to have a wealth of knowledge here.Ive been using a kimber solo as a conceal carry.The kimber people recomended 124 or 147 grain ammo. I keep federal premium HST 147 grain in stock.Iunderstand some people wont use 147 grain because of over penetration.Who uses what and why ? Sold the kimber solo 6+1 for a hellcat 13&15.Why 95 grain ? or 100. I use nothing but hollow points. My springfield AR pistol (saint) I use hornaday Black 75 grain.
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With some guns ( HK VP9 for example) they recommend breaking it in with 124 or 147 before trying to run 115 reliably. May be as simple as that.
 
HansGruber said:
I’m not quite sure why you think a 147gr bullet—particularly HST—will overpenetrate where a lighter JHP wouldn’t, given equal expansion, etc, etc.

In fact, 147gr 9mm is my preferred bullet weight in defensive loads in most of my pistols.

I won’t consider the 95&100 gr bullets—those are for .380’s, not 9x19. 115 is as light as I go.
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Thanks for the reply.For some reason the topic comes up at the range a lot.I pretty much feel same as you in regards to this
 
I was carrying Sig 124 grain V-Crown until I recently switched to 124 grain HST, due to Hans' comments on another post. I could feel more recoil with the HST (in a Sig P365), and the POI was within my expectations. I have NOT tested the two on a chronograph...but if I can feel it, that's good enough for now. I have not shot any 147gr with my current EDC. I have no concerns about over penetration with my living conditions...
 
100gr and lower are mostly gimmick rounds. I use Fed HST 124gr in my 9mm’s. Neat thing about them is the American Eagle 124 & 147 (made by Fed) FMJ have almost identical ballistics and they’re usually really well priced against non-major brand fmjs and especially major brands.
This is my bible for defensive ammo. The columns can be sorted by expanded width, speed, and penetration. You’ll notice that the HST Micro 150 has the highest expansion other than Ranger-T (black talons) along with near perfect depth. I’ll be switching to HST 150 as soon as my 124’s run out. Unfortunately I haven’t found any 150gr American Eagles. Also of note is the 147 HST actually has less penetration than the 124gr.
12-18” is the FBI standard.
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Here is a gel test done by TNoutdoors on the 150 gr micro HST , the 147 gr Hst , and the 147 gr +P HST.


I will stay with the 147 gr standard HST myself. To each their own. (y)
 
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