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9mm for Personal Defense – Insert Argument Here.

True story bro, I know nothing about terminal ballistics. I was never comfortable with 9mm because I heard over and over and over about Miami.

I started out with an RiA 1911 because that's what I was familiar with.

When I took my CHP class that's what I used.

Shortly thereafter my wife (who knows less about terminal ballistics than I do) suggested a .40S&W because she thought it would be cheaper than .45 ACP.

I purchased a CZ75B that turned out to be a great (if somewhat heavy) gun. I think the weight of that CZ soaked up the .40S&W recoil till it was unnoticeable. When I qualified with an M&P40 for G4S the recoil was very noticeable to me.

When I sold off all of my guns and started over I went with 9mm because my wife couldn't handle the recoil of the .40. Ten years later I'm arthritic and  I can't handle the recoil of the .40. I also can't handle an all steel gun on my hip for any length of time.

So I'm a 9mm guy by default.

Here is a very good article that addresses this issue

http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/why-glock-why-9mm

QUOTE from the article

I thought back to the effects different pistol rounds having on animals, victim's of shootings, and Officer involved shootings that I had seen personally and read about during my career. I couldn't think of a single shooting where the person or animal was shot with a 9mm and lived, but would have died if the round would have been a .40S&W or a .45acp. And I could not think of a single shooting where a person or animal was shot with a .40S&W or a .45acp and died, but would have survived if the round would have been a 9mm.
 
last2brake said:
Once you get to the 9mm range, it just comes down to degree of death.

But i'll bet it'd more satisfying if you shot a .45
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Always have been a 45 ACP fan. Arthritic hands and deteriorating vision caused me to switch too 9mm. Recently purchased shooting gloves that really help and having a RDS will eliminate the vision problem. All 3 of my 9mm carry pistols have dots, shoot them very well.
 
rcurtner said:
Always have been a 45 ACP fan. Arthritic hands and deteriorating vision caused me to switch too 9mm. Recently purchased shooting gloves that really help and having a RDS will eliminate the vision problem. All 3 of my 9mm carry pistols have dots, shoot them very well.
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I'm quite fine with the 9mm and any bonded 120ish grain JHP. My goto is Gold Dot 124+P.as it's done well for several large agencies that carry it. I won't carry 147gr 9mm due to admittedly irrational personal reasons. .40 is fine as well with Gold Dot 165's being a favorite. In .45 my choice is the 230gr +P HST. My take on things is use a proven JHP and practice until you can place them accurately.
 
Having lived near Boston (200+ miles) almost all my life, my trust and faith in the FBI has been near nonexistent for 40+ years. I'm betting that the FBI’s ballistic research program, was more about $ and the easy of training/qualifying new and slight statured officers than about ballistics. Training takes time and the FBI has more important things to do than weapons qualification. Important things like how to protect gangster/murderer/"informant" or how to imprison people that had no connection to the crime at hand, even when they had prof of their innocents, lie to other law enforcement agencies and ruin the carriers of other officers that got too close to the truth. 🤬 :mad: Just my perspective, most anytime something dirty is going down anywhere the FBI has their fingers in the pot.
There is a lot of B.S. about 9mm, 30 carbine, 5.56, The 9mm took another kick in the pants so the FBI could shift embarrassment over Miami from itself to anything else. Blaming the color of their cloths or the make of their car would have been a harder sell. I have no qualms about 9mm, 40 S&W or 45, then I carry a .38 and sometimes even a .22wmr.
 
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