youngolddude
Professional
They got it wrong. Actual purchases are maybe 2/3 less than the background checks. I did my share last year.
Americans bought 39 million guns last year.
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Bassbob
Emissary
So you think 2/3 of the people that underwent background checks either failed or changed their mind about buying a gun ? I'd argue the number is actually dramatically low since a whole lot of guns are sold privately between individuals.
TidalWave
Professional
Guys n Gals,
Bear in mind that these figures are being reported by the media …
There is often a purpose - perhaps almost subconscious - to put out information that scares, influences, manipulates…or simply leads to a chance for follow up media work.
Point is, it’s an industry . Accuracy is secondary to staying in business.
What tidbits did they FAIL to tell us?
But we all know the ani-gun mentality of the media, and this is likely another attempt to demonize guns and back up the current admin’s efforts to restrict ownership.
It drives liberal elites to distraction when the ‘common people’ get to decide for themselves what’s good or bad.
Bear in mind that these figures are being reported by the media …
There is often a purpose - perhaps almost subconscious - to put out information that scares, influences, manipulates…or simply leads to a chance for follow up media work.
Point is, it’s an industry . Accuracy is secondary to staying in business.
What tidbits did they FAIL to tell us?
But we all know the ani-gun mentality of the media, and this is likely another attempt to demonize guns and back up the current admin’s efforts to restrict ownership.
It drives liberal elites to distraction when the ‘common people’ get to decide for themselves what’s good or bad.
youngolddude
Professional
"Americans bought more than 18.5 million guns, according to an industry analysis of FBI background check data. That puts the 2021 numbers about 12 percent off the all-time record set in 2020. But it also puts 2021 40 percent ahead of 2019’s total.
“The fact that over 18.5 million Americans chose lawfully purchase a firearm in 2021 is indicative the value Americans hold of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms,” Mark Oliva, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which did the analysis, said in a statement."
NSSF removes NICS purpose codes used by several states for CCW application checks and other purposes. The removal of this data provides a more accurate report of background checks conducted for the purchase of firearms. Visit www.nssf.org/research.
I took these quotes from two online articles. I also saw MSN and other untrustworthy outlets using the 38+ Million number.
Let's not quibble. A lot of guns were sold in 2021. I bought retail and "off market" in 2021. Have a nice day.
“The fact that over 18.5 million Americans chose lawfully purchase a firearm in 2021 is indicative the value Americans hold of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms,” Mark Oliva, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), which did the analysis, said in a statement."
NSSF removes NICS purpose codes used by several states for CCW application checks and other purposes. The removal of this data provides a more accurate report of background checks conducted for the purchase of firearms. Visit www.nssf.org/research.
I took these quotes from two online articles. I also saw MSN and other untrustworthy outlets using the 38+ Million number.
Let's not quibble. A lot of guns were sold in 2021. I bought retail and "off market" in 2021. Have a nice day.
PhantomVOZ
Elite
Here is a link to some new center set up at UC Davis, dedicated to future gun control bills and they have a page dedicated to people buying new guns during the pandemic as well.
UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program
Firearm Purchasing and Firearm Violence in the First Months of the Coronavirus Pandemic in the United States
Importance Firearm violence is a significant public health and safety problem in the United States. A surge in firearm purchases following the onset of the coronavirus pandemic may increase rates of firearm violence. Objective To estimate the association between changes in firearm purchasing...
FL Rhody
Alpha
Well, 38.9. I made sure to leave some for the rest of you all.
FL Rhody
Alpha
Where have you gone Thomas Jefferson? We need you now more than ever!Yikes, talk about losing my firearms in a boating accident
Wannabewoodsman
Custom
Something like 13.8 million first time gun owners too I think. Ya love to see it!
PhantomVOZ
Elite
The Hill doesn't even mention the BLM riots or defunding the police rhetoric while talking about the gun safety meme.
thehill.com
The gun reform debate is not impenetrable — just ask gun owners
Gun owners must be brought into the gun safety conversation, not left out.
thehill.com
shanneba
Custom
NSSF Retailer Surveys Indicate:
5.4 Million First-Time Gun Buyers in 2021
- Nearly 47 percent of first-time gun buyers in 2021 inquired about training and 43 percent signed up for training.
- Over 33 percent of first-time gun buyers in 2021 were women.
5.4 Million First-Time Gun Buyers in 2021
PhantomVOZ
Elite
wmg1299
Professional
I have significantly more confidence in the NSSF numbers than the media's numbers. I find it mind-boggling that the author of this article can clearly describe a flawed method of calculation, but still have faith in the accuracy of the conclusion.
The most obvious issue is that the author assumes that the number of "gun sales" since 1998 is equal to the number of guns sold since 1998. This formula doesn't work for any item that can be resold multiple times. For example: Assume that my uncle bought a new gun in 1998 (Sale #1). He left the gun to me when he passed away in 2020, but I didn't want it and sold it to my local gun shop (Sale #2). The shop then sells the gun to a new owner in 2021 (Sale #3). This gives us 3 total "gun sales" since 1998, while only 1 gun ever actually entered the market.
The example above demonstrates that we do not have 3 guns that were sold; we have 1 gun that was sold 3 times. If we used the author's logic, 3 guns were sold, not 1. With faulty logic like this, it doesn't take long to reach a massively inflated total.
The most obvious issue is that the author assumes that the number of "gun sales" since 1998 is equal to the number of guns sold since 1998. This formula doesn't work for any item that can be resold multiple times. For example: Assume that my uncle bought a new gun in 1998 (Sale #1). He left the gun to me when he passed away in 2020, but I didn't want it and sold it to my local gun shop (Sale #2). The shop then sells the gun to a new owner in 2021 (Sale #3). This gives us 3 total "gun sales" since 1998, while only 1 gun ever actually entered the market.
The example above demonstrates that we do not have 3 guns that were sold; we have 1 gun that was sold 3 times. If we used the author's logic, 3 guns were sold, not 1. With faulty logic like this, it doesn't take long to reach a massively inflated total.