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‘Who dreams this crap up?’: Kevin O'Leary just slammed a new regulation that allows employees to ignore their bosses after hours — says he’ll fire workers who put their phones on silent​


i agree with this new law...as a former trucker, my boss had called me many times, he had a trailer load that needed to go, before my off duty time was up..

workers should be able to "disconnect" from the job and all responsibility, when they clock out

screw this CEO that wants to fire people...

 
I had two contractors I worked for that did not believe in my time, one would call at 7:00 A.M. and again at 6:00P.M.
I told him I am available from 8:00 to 4:30 on the job-site.
The second gave me a Nextel phone and tracked when I got to the job and when I left, when I found out I left it turned on in the gang box when I left.
 
Old_Me said:

‘Who dreams this crap up?’: Kevin O'Leary just slammed a new regulation that allows employees to ignore their bosses after hours — says he’ll fire workers who put their phones on silent​


i agree with this new law...as a former trucker, my boss had called me many times, he had a trailer load that needed to go, before my off duty time was up..

workers should be able to "disconnect" from the job and all responsibility, when they clock out

screw this CEO that wants to fire people...

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This just depends on the job right? "outside official working hours" can be anything or none depending on the job description and the deal made between an employer and employee. My folks have to be available 24/7/365 due to the nature of the work, but it is known up front before anyone takes a job. So I guess I'd say, if you take a job with non normal work hours it is what it is, but if you have a job that has 'normal' hours, like a 9-5, then the boss should leave you alone.
 
Thing is if you're in an "At will" state it doesn't matter. You can be fired for whatever reason. So you do what you can afford.

My work phone gets turned off when I pull into the yard at night. And I usually leave it in the truck. I'm not on call and there is no requirement for your work phone to be on outside of work hours.
 
MrMichaelActual said:
This just depends on the job right? "outside official working hours" can be anything or none depending on the job description and the deal made between an employer and employee. My folks have to be available 24/7/365 due to the nature of the work, but it is known up front before anyone takes a job. So I guess I'd say, if you take a job with non normal work hours it is what it is, but if you have a job that has 'normal' hours, like a 9-5, then the boss should leave you alone.
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My staff all had this understanding as well. Depends on the job and must be clearly spelled out at hiring time.
 
on active duty
if not on duty we could IGNORE the call, but were encouraged to check the voicemail, especially if they called like 5 times in a few minutes, which did happen i bet a total of 2 times over my career at very strange hours between 2 am and 5 am
if we were not on call to deploy etc

my army contractor job was spelled out in my hiring documents, if we were not on a trip, for the company. no need to answer the phone, if its that important we will stop by the house. which never happened
we were expected during office hours to answer the phone or text
in fact during one gov contract, our handlers didn't even have our address or home number, only our company boss had that.

we didn't even have a gov assigned phone, so it would be even harder to demand such things.

i would have issue with a normal job, boss telling me i have to answer when i am not on the clock
imo if you want me to answer a phone after hours...i better be compensated for my time, same goes with answering emails etc
 
I spent a large part of my career being "On Call". The last place I worked and eventually retired from, There were four of us. Each was on call one week out of each month. I've had to carry beepers, radios and eventually a city issued cell phone. Get the call, you had one hour to be on site. I never liked it, but it was just part of the job. Ya get used to it. :rolleyes:
 
The only time this was ever an issue for me was when I was doing security for G4S.

I was the site supervisor. So every Friday afternoon I would close out the timesheets, make a copy of them, put the originals in a file in my desk and put the copies in the out box for the Field Supervisor to pick up over the weekend.

The time sheets weren't due at the office until 8:00 Monday morning.

My shift started at 6:00 a.m. so I was usually awake at 4:00 or 4:30 a.m.

The first weekend the G4S took over the contract I got a phone call at about 10:30 on Friday night. I was already asleep.

The general manager wanted to know where my timesheets were. I told him I'd left them in the outbox for the field supervisor to pick up and that's all I knew. Then I reminded him that they weren't do it his office until 8:00 Monday morning.

Then he wanted to know why the field supervisor hadn't turned them into the main office yet. I told him that was a question he probably needed to ask the field supervisor.

He's then told me that if the field supervisor did not have those documents on his desk within the hour he was going to call me back and demand that I leave my home and drive to work, pick up the timesheets and deliver them to his office on the other side of town.

I got off the call turned off my cell phone and went back to sleep. He didn't call me back.

The next Friday the same thing happened.

One of the client employees informed me that when I was making copies of the timesheets every Friday The copier had the capability to simply email them to the program manager.

So every Friday when I copy the time sheet I emailed the copy to the program manager at his utilities email account.

He called me again the next Friday.

Apparently getting into his utilities mail account was too much of a problem for him.

By the time this was all done I was emailing a copy of the timesheets to the program manager's CSU account as well as his G4S account. I was also emailing a copy to the Training Manager's G4S account as well as utilities account.

The Training Manager was then printing off a copy of the timesheets and putting them on the Program Managers desk.

I don't know how it all played out and I don't know if he did it to anyone else. Most of the sites were open 7 days a week ours was not.

I do know that when G4S took over a contract it was their policy to fire or cause all the supervisors from the old company to quit and I think they were trying to get me to quit over the phone calls.
 
MrMichaelActual said:
This just depends on the job right? "outside official working hours" can be anything or none depending on the job description and the deal made between an employer and employee. My folks have to be available 24/7/365 due to the nature of the work, but it is known up front before anyone takes a job. So I guess I'd say, if you take a job with non normal work hours it is what it is, but if you have a job that has 'normal' hours, like a 9-5, then the boss should leave you alone.
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well the owner-operator i had worked for, thought he could call me when i was off duty. that was a big no-no...so i had my answering machine turned off.

when my hours of rest were nearly up, like about 1 hour left..??

i turned the machine back on.

even to this day, neither the wife nor i answer the phone, that's the job of the answering machine.

he got ticked off, but in all reality, say i showed up earlier than i was supposed to...

do you know truckers have to log hours on the job, driving and loading/unloading..?

supposed i got into an accident, and i was supposed to still be off duty..??

i'd be ripped apart on the witness stand, especially if someone died...

BS...when i am home, "F'ing leave me alone"

and in trucking........you are never told up front before you take a job, that you can be called in at anytime, unless one is a "casual union driver on-call"
 
Old_Me said:
well the owner-operator i had worked for, thought he could call me when i was off duty. that was a big no-no...so i had my answering machine turned off.

when my hours of rest were nearly up, like about 1 hour left..??

i turned the machine back on.

even to this day, neither the wife nor i answer the phone, that's the job of the answering machine.

he got ticked off, but in all reality, say i showed up earlier than i was supposed to...

do you know truckers have to log hours on the job, driving and loading/unloading..?

supposed i got into an accident, and i was supposed to still be off duty..??

i'd be ripped apart on the witness stand, especially if someone died...

BS...when i am home, "F'ing leave me alone"

and in trucking........you are never told up front before you take a job, that you can be called in at anytime, unless one is a "casual union driver on-call"
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I sure get that, we don't want any drivers driving tired.
You have an Answering machine?
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MrMichaelActual said:
I sure get that, we don't want any drivers driving tired.
You have an Answering machine?
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yeah, but mine is old and a digital..

nowadays, i can get answering machine service with my landline provider.

but i still prefer a machine, buy it, install it, i own it..

that monthly fee just to have it on my landline is BS, you end up paying for 10,000 machines in a few short years.
 
I've been on-call 24/7-365 for the last 30+ years with every job I've had. The last 20 years selling well pumps. I know old_me is on city water, but how many of you, especially the ones with livestock, don't mind waiting till Monday morning to get water to you or your animals when your well pump takes a shite on Friday at 6pm? A dairy near me has 8500 head of dairy cows, requiring 50 gallons of water/day (consumption and cleaning combined). There are many differences and levels of importance for on-call and what is acceptable. We get paid enough for the infrequent inconvenience. I know it matters as well what you do, and for whom you do it, and how often the calls become regular.

Sorry, this topic irks me in several ways. Reminds me directly of kids expecting $200k/year the first year after school.
 
The culture changed the last 5 years or so at work. On duty staff would call those off duty to discuss just about anything. I made it well known that short of a riot or an escape call me at home and the poo is going to hit the fan. The last guy to call wanting to know if I would care to work one of my days off, the Mrs., answered the phone he asked of me then told her "you tell him to be nice to me". She did. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
I've worked both types of jobs where one may not require my being on call during off hours, and the other requiring it. In fact one job I had required I be physically within 30 minutes of my office should I be called in. However in either case, we all always have the option of saying NO, and/or simply not answering a call. The bottom line is what type of job is it, and how urgent/emergency any call might be. And generally speaking, any job I've ever had that did require it, the requirement would be listed in the 'job requirements' and/or 'conditions of employment', so I knew to expect it before I accepted the job.

And as for landlines ... I've had the very same landline number for more than 50 years and would not give it up for anything. All my Dr's and other professional contacts all have that number. None have my cell number other than a very select few of my choosing. Anytime I give out a phone number, it's always my landline. However, when/if anyone should call me on the landline and I'm not home, they will still get me if I choose to answer because whenever I leave the house, I 'forward' my landline to my cell number and the call is forwarded to me wherever I am. I can see who the caller is by 'Caller ID' and chose to answer or not. The caller never even knows whether I'm at home or not, or how far away I might be. I do this for several reasons...some no longer required. But mostly now because I'm not married to my cell phone and refuse to be called out for not answering it. I rarely have it within reach unless I leave the house in which case I pick it up off the charger, forward my landline to it, and hang it on my belt. While at home it's usually on the charger in a back room and I wouldn't likely hear it anyway.
 
i put much blame on companies allowing workers, to work at home, and to this day, refuse to go back to the office. at least that way, a company could have around the clock employee's if this nonsense means so much to the CEO in the story.

not all jobs have "contracts' by the way, i never worked a contract job....

those jobs that have such employment contracts, have many perks the ordinary worker just does not get, up to and including huge bonuses..., termination clauses, and incredible severance packages, with additional bonus monies.

just look at all the huge corporations execs, like CVS, Sears, and the like......they don't walk away poor.

but to be demanding that anyone be available at a whim's call is ridiculous.

safety related jobs like "life flight pilots, doctors, nurses, police, fire, rescue, disaster preparedness (or FEMA)" are the exceptions, and should be able to get to work ASAP...

but a company office worker, or salesman, or mail room clerk, or trucker, or convenience store clerk..???

hardly
 
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