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April 11th 1986 39 years ago today

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ECS686

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Sad anniversary of the FBI Miami shootout. And despite some horrible leadership in last administrations the FBI has had the line agents most want to do the right and just thing for the citizens they serve. I challenge you to find any agency or business for that matter that doesn’t have a guard or 2 so this is not a bash on past bad leadership.

Here is a few year old video of retired FBI agent Hilton Yam giving probably the best explanation of the whole 10mm fiasco



Also included is a link to Lee Weems interview with Agent Ed Mireles who ended the attack after being wounded


And for those not into videos (you really should watch the 10-8 it’s a fast few minutes

Below is an article on it.

www.recoilweb.com

Shootout in Miami

Read: Shootout in Miami from Amy Bushatz on June 21, 2019 for Recoil.
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HayesGreener said:
I was SWAT commander in a,Florida department when this happened. We studied the incident 6 ways to Sunday. Mireles is a hero but, It was a poorly planned and led operation.
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While hindsight yea tactics were lacking they did the best they could at the time. So I wouldn’t go to critical.

As Hilton Yam stated in his 10-8 video we as a whole did things a lot different in 1986 than now. We have gotten a lot better.
 
ECS686 said:
While hindsight yea tactics were lacking they did the best they could at the time. So I wouldn’t go to critical.

As Hilton Yam stated in his 10-8 video we as a whole did things a lot different in 1986 than now. We have gotten a lot better.
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The FBI leadership was had by their own arrogance. They had HRT and knew they were looking for killers. They learned some hard lessons that day.
 
HayesGreener said:
The FBI leadership was had by their own arrogance. They had HRT and knew they were looking for killers. They learned some hard lessons that day.
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I wouldn’t just Singke out the FBI California (and everyone) learned about speedloaders and why they should be allowed (and how to emergency reload a wheelgun with only 2-3 rounds and there was no brass in the pockets like the urban legend was) at Newhall.

Same type incident as Miami happend with the Norco California bank robbery,

LAPD and others learned in 1997 learned AR 15’s were more than a suggestion at the Bank of America shooting.

There isn’t one department that hasn’t either screwed the pooch OR just had a bad thing happend and had to adjust the way stuff is taught.
 
By the standards of the day they did well. No law enforcement carried rifles at the time and having shotguns was a plus. SWAT was in its infancy as was tactical training for anyone. More than half the agents carried revolvers. Weapons were lost in car crashes and one pistol was destroyed after being shot. Stuff happens in a hurry and the agents did well. HRT was not going to be deployed for every situation across the country. Kudos to the warriors
 
I disagree. FBI agents knew better, and local LE knew better. Jerry Dove was an HRT member who landed a killing shot on the main shooter, but the guy still had fight in him. I am sure Dove was wondering why HRT wasn't there. I know the status of SWAT in Florida in the day, I was SWAT commander and trainer in my PD. Some of the best teams in the country were in South Florida at the time, I know because we competed against them every year at SWAT Roundup in Orlando. Our SWAT officers carried rifles and MP5's on patrol and several were always available, as did most of the teams in the day. The agents in the gunfight did their best with what they had at the time, but their leadership failed to recognize and prepare for what they were up against. Another factor to consider was limited street experience in the FBI. The recognized this and went on a hiring spree of experienced LEO'S after the incident.

I take nothing away from the agents on the ground in the gun fight, and in my book Dove and Mirales are heroes. But their leadership failed them. If you don't learn from your mistakes you will repeat, and that means you have to take a hard look at the mistakes. You don't need to besmirch the memory of the agents involved. The FBI did their best to portray the event in the best possible light for their image and went charging down the 10mm path to deflect the true failure, and we know how that ended up.
 
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