AR Pistol Forearm Grip
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Talyn
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On my AR pistol a Strike Industries Link Anchor hand stop since its a pistol. The SI Link Anchor works with both Keymod & M-Lok handguards, great design and economical.
Strike Industries Link Anchor
Strike Industries Link Anchor
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Grifter
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They have a model for pic rails or for mlok.
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Talyn
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They have model for pic rails or for mlok.
I was going to mention the AFG-2 (which I really like and use on my standard ARs) but regarding AR pistols there's some ambiguity with the various BATFE letters regarding even angled fore grips.
So I decided to avoid any of the ambiguity (especially with AR pistols) and have gone to a hand stop on that platform.
My .02
Grifter
Custom
Not that we can trust all youtube personalities, but several have mentioned that angled foregrips are okay on pistols. At least until the atf changes the rules again.
RandomHero
Custom
Ok they used to be legal. Then another person wrote in to the ATF and asked for clarification. The new letter States that all grips added to an ar pistol make the firearm an NFA item. Such that if there is an item attached to the forend that the weapon would be designed to be shot with 2 hands. Therefore under the description of a pistol it no longer qualifies as a pistol since they by ATF description should be fired with one hand. Do yourself a favor and don't add any grip to your ar pistol.
Talyn
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I trust the various YouTube gun personalities very little. Some can barely speak English. I seek out and collect every ATF AR pistol letter I can find to try to keep up with the latest.
It's been such a mismash of letters involving OAL, LOP, vertical (so 90's)/angled/upside-down/backwards fore-grips, what's a brace, what isn't a brace, what colors braces can be/not be, etc.
I have yet to see someone shooting an AR pistol one-handed with the brace against the cheek, so why have the brace? If shooting with the brace is OK the ATF still has to consider that you can shoot an AR pistol with a hand on the pistol grip, a support hand on the hand guard, and braced as still legal.
Folks have been shooting silhouette and T/C Contender pistols for decades by using both the pistol grip and hand guard for support for decades. The AR pistol hand guard is no different than those.
A hand stop is very useful to establish a reference point for a hand vs. being an actual support element for shooting, and so far I haven't seen them mentioned in ATF letters.
The controversy on AR foregrips (not handguards) has been on OAL that relates to the ATF definition of a concealable firearm either as a AOW with <26" and a foregrip, or not with an OAL > 26" which is generally not considered concealable.
All this continues to be as clear as thick mud, and at least ATF has slowed down with their various letters.
The only sure thing is we're lucky we have Trump or AR pistols would cease to exist.
My .02
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RandomHero
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Exactly! It's been said that if people would stop writing the ATF asking for clarification, the angled foregrip would still be legal. In the same letter, they revised how you measure your AR pistol.If an angled foregrip is illegal at the moment on AR pistol, lots of people better start taking their youtube videos down
ATF Rescinds Prior Methods to Measure a Firearm’s Overall Length when Equipped with a Stabilizing Brace
Late yesterday, I received an email from an individual containing a letter from ATF which was a response to a correspondence requesting the correct method to “measure a firearm with a ‘…
blog.princelaw.com
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It's my understanding after researching the subject that a vertical grip is against the ATFs definition and makes it illegal but a hand stop or angle grip is ok. I'm certainly not a Lawyer so I would recommend doing your own research on the subject or speak to a professional.
RandomHero
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ATF Rescinds Prior Methods to Measure a Firearm’s Overall Length when Equipped with a Stabilizing Brace
Late yesterday, I received an email from an individual containing a letter from ATF which was a response to a correspondence requesting the correct method to “measure a firearm with a ‘…
blog.princelaw.com
RandomHero
Custom
The above link is worth looking at if you own a AR pistol
Talyn
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BET7
Ronin
Below was my response from the Thread "The New Saint's are So Boss". There was a question of whether you could shoulder a pistol brace and the legality of a vertical or angle grip on a AR pistol, upon which I pointed to the following two articles. I have an angle grip installed and have found more than one article stating the ATF says it's legal. Does that mean they haven't reversed course and made it illegal since my search and document finds? No, it does not. As 10mmLife states, you will need to do your own research and if unsure, you can always leave it off as some poster have stated.
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Yes it’s legal. It is also legal to install an angle grip (not vertical grip), on it as well. Please see links below.
https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/
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Talyn
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The 2017 letter is the brace "shouldering" letter that remains the "standard" for that issue to date.
The 2010 letter is a bit dated and I'd suggest finding the most recent letter than reinforces the Magpul AFG Q&A.
There have been so many ATF letters it makes your head spin.
My .02
The 2010 letter is a bit dated and I'd suggest finding the most recent letter than reinforces the Magpul AFG Q&A.
There have been so many ATF letters it makes your head spin.
My .02
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I use something similar to this.
Just throw a little piece of 1913, it also makes a good stop.
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Just throw a little piece of 1913, it also makes a good stop.
BET7
Ronin
Yup, did a quick search for a more recent ATF letter before posting my reply and couldn't find any. It doesn't mean one doesn't exist, just that I couldn't find it after a 15 minute search or so. It's why I mentioned those interested in mounting an angle brace should do their own research. I did find plenty of recent forums 2018-2019 pointing to the 2010-2011 letter as being the latest, but that's hardly an official declaration. Interesting, I found a recent article about the ATF bring charges against an Ohio man that owned a AR pistol with brace, angle grip and Flash Suppressor (supposedly all legal under their own guidelines). They claimed the parts added, made it a SBR, but he was found not guilty of the charges by a jury. So even if I found a more recent letter indicating it was OK, it's apparent the ATF yahoos, could still try to prosecute someone that was within the law, putting one’s hope on a Jury or Judge.
ATF Prosecutes Ohio Man for AR Pistol with Brace
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has defied its own definitions, saying that adding a pistol brace to a pistol made it a short-barreled rifle.
www.range365.com
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Grifter
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I swear Tim at the Military Arms Channel had a video that is under a year old that talks about this. I cannot seem to find it.
The summary of it if my memory is correct is that only a "vertical" grip is a no go on a pistol.
It was based on a recent letter from the ATF. He also begged people to stop mailing the ATF since they changed their rules almost everytime a person inquired.
The summary of it if my memory is correct is that only a "vertical" grip is a no go on a pistol.
It was based on a recent letter from the ATF. He also begged people to stop mailing the ATF since they changed their rules almost everytime a person inquired.