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nmedge
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Then I guess society as a whole has changed, not for the better but for the worse.
Bill to Ban Guns for Everyone Under 25
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Bassbob
Emissary
I don’t trust politicians, lawyers, democrats, republicans, preachers, women, homeless people, people with heated swimming pools, unemployed people, college professors, black people, white people, Asians, Arabs or Cajuns. I would never advocate stripping any of them of any of their rights though.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Says every generation
Wow you hit the nail right on the head from what I've experienced at the ranges I frequent.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
I think an LGS should work with a firearms Instructor in their area and offer an intro rate for classes for purchases when buying a firearm. Maybe a discount of some sort. Encourage folks to get training, refresher training , or “next level” for those proficient.
Our ranges offer basic firearm-advanced pistol/rifle, and cqb. Basic thru advanced.
They encourage their classes which I’m sure is a good moneymaker, but keeps the customer base engaged
Our ranges offer basic firearm-advanced pistol/rifle, and cqb. Basic thru advanced.
They encourage their classes which I’m sure is a good moneymaker, but keeps the customer base engaged
The only great money makers as far as training is in the national training area where the professional students will come. But those national trainers are well above most NRA instructors (Range Master certified or Gunsite or the few top of their game lead agency instructor) There’s no money in basic classes because 1 depending on area you’re lucky to get more than $100 for a 4-6 hour session. And 2 The problem most folks (even ones that know something) don’t believe how much they can gain. And the ones that are brand new to guns usually depend on that relative for guidance (I wouldn’t call it training) because they were in the National Guard in 1970. Well that’s some of the issues SrO’s face if they even come to the range (most do not)
Most are lucky to take a firearm to the range once a year let alone become enough of an enthusiast to go monthly or bi weekly.
And in our classes we have a decent amount that do sign up to come back for an additional or a private lesson. But it’s still well under half. And I’d say maybe a 1/3 have yearly memberships and frequent at least monthly
The disheartening thing is we have some that the first question at the end is “when can I shoot someone” when we touch in legal and responsibility stuff. I have made most mad by telling them they don’t need to carry a gun then. It’s a lifestyle change that requires proper mental mindset as well as you should want to practice to keep and improve proficiency!
WellArmed
Master Class
It's not constitutional so I don’t advocate for it either, but I'm a realist. The politically incorrect and unpopular truth is that the 10-25 democratic owning and having access to firearms respectively will have a great effect on more and more American voters turning antigun and progun laws which in turn will eventually result in more ALL gun owners rights restricted.
WellArmed
Master Class
I'm not sure what ranges or training classes you guys go to, but that's not my experience in the plothera of ranges I've been to. Yes, the inexperienced might have to be reminded of safety rules as well as to a lesser extent the experienced, but most are respectful. All ages, races, sexes, and ethnicities at that. The most disregard for the rules I see is while some early 20s striker fired Glock type rapid fires his Glock or AR when the rules at that particular range states not too...
In any event, I'm not talking about range etiquette but rather with have these demographics behave out in the real world when it comes to crime and accident satistics.
#28 I meant demographic. Autocomplete changed it.
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WellArmed
Master Class
That's the problem. 18 year olds of the past were raised seeing a gun as a simple tool, the were more responsible, respectful, and raised better than what we have today. Many more children back then were raised around around firearms, were taught proper safety and etiquette, so firearms weren't a fettish or seen as a way to solve a simple altercation like it is today.
We keep bringing up how 18 year olds can join the military and fight with guns, but we leave out that the type of 18 year olds who join the military
- must not have a criminal record,
- can even be disqualified for having too many non moving traffic tickets,
- can be DQ'd for bad credit,
- can be DQ'd for moral clauses,
- can be DQ'd for child criminal records that are normally sealed and would not prohibit an adult from owning firearms,
- can be DQ'd even for nolle prosequi or if what would be a drug, felony, DV, etc charge was pleaded down to a simple otherwise non disqualifing misdemeanor,
- has to be a high school grad,
- has to pass the ASVAB,
- has to pass multiple random drug test,
- has to stay disciplined and in shape,
- has to pass bootcamp and deal with being "disrespected" by having men yell in their face and tell them when and what they can do,
- have to go through supervised firearm training,
- and when that is all said and done, they still have some supervision and instruction while armed out in the field. They get told when they can shoot and what they can shoot at.
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Bassbob
Emissary
Yeah, well there is a lot we can’t talk about with regards to specifics, demographics and their related statistics. If you started breaking it down by age or this thing or that thing but fail to break it down by statistics that drive the numbers far, FAR more than every other statistic you might as well be pissin’ up a rope. Society as it is is unwilling to address the problem by addressing the root cause. Instead we will keep blaming inanimate objects and make believe bogeymen until we are left with no rights, no free will and are all good, law abiding subjects.
Look at it like this. For starters let’s not even talk about “mass shootings” with scary black rifles. That’s less than 1% of shootings and anyone with a brain knows it’s merely a way for anti-gun politicians and activists to disarm the population. Let’s look at Chicago and St. Louis. Together they represent a nice, fat chunk of murders committed with firearms in this country. You want to start breaking it down by demographics and you think the most important one is age ? I totally agree most of this crap comes from young males, but age isn’t even close to the demographic that encompasses the largest percentage of murders. Until we quit pussyfooting around it in the name of political correctness and actually address it and the root causes of it nothing is ever going to change. If it wasn’t guns it would be some other inanimate object.
To me it seems part of the issue with the younger adults now (who grow up and are those rude folks on twitter and FB now)
In most of our days (I’m 55 and referring to early mid 40’s and up. But my parents were 44 and 39 when I was born so there’s that)
We were just as scared of our parents as we were the police. It built character when you got humiliated by the Police if they found you with beer and made you dump it out in front of your friends over an a&$ chewing. The. You knew you were gonna really get it at home because small town police didn’t get a court involved they knew the parents would do far more.
Parents have quit parenting so we now have rudeness amuck!
But a silly bill restricting constitutional rights isn’t the answer. Maybe the society has allowed the immaturity to fester society needs a revamp and reality check instead!
BreakingWind
Master Class
To establish term limits it requires a Constitutional Amendment.
The Amendment Process
- Step 1: Two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate propose and vote on a constitutional amendment. ...
- Step 2: Three-fourths of the states ratify the proposed amendment, either by their legislatures or through special ratifying 'conventions'.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Never say never
Trump and Biden both became Presidents
Prohibition became an Amendment
Stuff can happen
Onewolf426
Professional
A BUNCH of Politicians have stated they wanted a total band. Won’t make it out of committee on the Federal level. Why so much push from the anti groups at the state level like we’ve seen in Washington, Illinois NJ etc. until the lower courts screw it up the USSC won’t say anything as they have to let the lowers go through the process.
And while the 1994 AWB only passed by like 2 or 4 votes the ONLY reason it did is it had to be passed off as a temp 10 year thing with a sunset AND you could still get the basic AR just minus threads muzzle breaks and all the scary stuff (not justifying anything just how it seemed to play out)
No. Because the ones that want to ban are also the ones that think they can rebrand Socialism and have it be successful. They have proven socialism doesn’t and can’t work but somewhere someone thinks they are smarter!